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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

30/07/1838

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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 111 c wrong notice ; his notice was for a freehold, and it was a leasehold interest that Mr. Patrick Flood the man had. 8507. When was he admitted subsequently ?— In the June session. 8 May 1838. 8508. When was he struck off the register ?—' The last petition but one. 8509. Do you know upon what ground he was struck off ?— I believe it was for want of value. 851 o. Do you know anything of it yourself ?— Not more than I have seen in the printed Evidence. 8511. What was the evidence that was given ?— That he had not value. 8512. What witnesses were produced?— Mr. Jacob Wiggins, I think, was brought forward against hhn. 8513. Were there witnesses examined on both sides?— Yes; I think there was a Mr. Daly examined in his case. 8514. And eventually his vote was struck off?— Yes. 8515. Mr. Hogg7\ Did he make any attempt to register in 1832 ?— I cannot positively say; I should think he did. 8516. Do you know whether he ever did or did not attempt to register before 1835 ?— The man told me himself that he did, but I could not say that I saw him come up; but in the notice there was the wrong barony. 8517. Did he try to register in 1832 ?— The man told me that he did so. 8,518. And in 1833 ?— No, there were very few came forward in 1833. 8519. Why did not he attempt to register again till 1835, if it was a mere mistake in form ?— It is attended with great expense for a man to go such a distance; he w7ould have 14 01* 15 Irish miles to go. 8520. But waiting does not lessen the expense ?— When they saw freeholders struck off in 1833, men though* it quite useless to come forward. 8521. But it was after 1833, when you say they wTere so discouraged, that he did come forward?— Not till 1835 ; there was a Reform Association established in Dublin to take it up, and there were counsel sent down; it was quite useless to appear in court before the barrister, unless they had counsel to protect them. 8521*. Chairman.] Had not they counsel in 1832?— They had not them afterwards, till 1835. 8522. They had no counsel in 1833 and 1834 ?— No. 8523. Then there was a Reform Association, and the support of that induced them to come forward?— Yes, they were very anxious to come forward, when they knew they would be protected. 8524. You mean to say that all parties were very anxious to come forward and register ?— I do ; several came to myself and said that I had promised to serve notices for them, and that I had neglected it. 8,525. Perhaps you had a good reason for neglecting it ?— No, it escaped me; I would have served notices for them if it had not. 8526. Mr. Curry.] Are there any other persons who registered, and whose farms you viewed either in 1833 or in 1835?— There were several in 1832, that have been struck off in 1833 and 1835. 8527. Can you state any in 1832 whose farms you valued ?— Yes, there is a man of the name of John Tuite, of Cloonagh. 8528. Did you view his farm?— I did. 8.529. At what time ?— Early in April 1837- 8530. What quantity of land had he ?— Eleven acres and a half. 8,531. At what rent ?— At 11, an acre. 8532. When you speak of rent, you speak of British currency ?— I think it is British currency. 8533. Are the eleven acres and a half English or Irish acres ?— Irish acres. 8.534. Was he registered at any time previous to April 1837 ?— I think it was in 1832. 8535. Was he struck off by any of the Committees upon the Longford peti- tions?— Yes, he was in 1837- 8536. Can you state, from the value of that man's farm in April 1837, whether, in your judgment, a solvent tenant would have given him 10/. a year above the rent he paid for it ?— I can state that he would, and more money a good deal; the man had nearly a double interest. „ 8537. With reference to what you understand by " beneficial interest, are you able to state from any data that you have, what would be the beneficial 643. N 2 llltereSt
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