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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

30/07/1838

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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

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V 76 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE 8424. Was any other witness examined besides you?- Not any one; he Mr. Patrick Flood. to the b£ rrister going into it, as he was struck off by the Committee of 8 May 1838. The House of Commons. . . , . ,, 8425. Then when the evidence was gone into he cross- examined you r— He dlC8426. The barrister admitted the man to vote ?— Yes ; he said he would have to go to The House of Commons to break him again, that he was a good free- holder, and he would admit him. 8427. Mr. Curry.] Mr. French told Mr. Courtney that he must go to The House of Commons to break him again ?— Yes. 8428. Chairman.] Wras the man himself examined ?— Yes, he was examined. 8429. He was struck off in 1833 ?— Yes. 8430. Was this in 1835 ?— Yes. 8431. Y'ou are quite sure that the buildings were as good in 1832 as 1835 ?— They were not worse, because the man was an improving tenant. 8432. How do you know that they were the same in 1833 ?— I often passed by the house, but I never visited it as to the value till that time the man himself came to me, and begged I would go and look at his land. 8433. By whom was that man registered originally ?— By Mr. Fosberry. 8434. Was his claim opposed at the registration ?— It was. 8435. Were you present?— I was. 8436. What was the ground of opposition to his claim at that time ?— The insufficiency of the value. 8437. Who was examined in support of his claim at that time ?— A clergyman of the parish was called. 8438. What was his name?— Mr. M'Govan. The barrister asked him if he knew the man, and he said he did, that he was a good tenant, and that he used to lime his land. 8439. Then he established the value of his holding in October 1832?—• He did. 8440. Was he himself examined?— He was; the man is always examined first himself. 8441. And there was clear evidence given, by means of the clergyman, as to the value of the land:— The clergyman stated that he had very good houses, and his land was highly improved, but that he would not take upon himself to speak as to the value of the land. 8442. Will you state positively whether that man's holding was the same in October 1832 as it was in April 1835 ?— I believe it was much the same ; I can say that it was not worse, for the man was an improving tenant. 8443. So that, if there was any alteration, it would be rather in his favour in 1835 ?— It would. 8444. He has been registered since ?— He has. 8445. Was his vote attacked in the election of 1837 ?— It was ; I have read it in the book. 8446. Was his vote sustained or rejected before the election committee o 1837 ?— It was sustained. 8447. What do you reckon an acre of oats worth in April 1835?— From 71. to 10/., according to the crop, when it is ready for reaping. 8448. What was his crop worth ?— I did not value his crop as sown ; 1 valued the land ; four acres of land ready for sowing with oats. In the spring season they take land, and give so much an acre for it, and then they sow it them- selves. 8449. Do you mean to state that, at the time you valued it in April 1835, you considered that incipient crop of oats as worth 61. an acre ?— Yes. 8450. What would be the value of that in the August following It would depend upon the state of the market; it might be worth about 8/.° 10 s. or 91. 84,51. You think that an acre of oats which would be worth in harvest 81 or 91., would be worth 61. in the spring, when the seed is in ?— Yes. 8! 4A2' What do > r° u reckon an incipient crop of potatoes worth P—' The land itsell tor the crop is worth 8/. a year. 8453- What do you reckon it worth when the potatoes are ready for di°- ahi°- r> — rrom 12/. to 20/. If * 84.54. But you mean to state that, without knowing whether it would be a good
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