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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

30/07/1838

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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

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V « • 86 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Mr. Patrick Flood. 8368. Objecting to everything that was wrong r— There was very little objection upon the Liberal side. ... 8 May 1838. 8369. Did the barristers for the Liberal interest exert themselves with acti- vity, and do their duty properly ?— I think they did. i . 8370. They watched the proceedings of the registering barrister well ?— They did. 8371. Will you state the rent of the eight- acre man, who you say was admitted while the fifteen- acre man was rejected ?—£. 1 an acre he swore to. 8372. And the rent paid by the sixteen- acre man was nearly 2 /. an acre ?— Yes.' 8373. Do not you think that if the land was the same, the man who had eight acres, for which he paid 1 /. an acre, would be as well off as the man who had 15 or 16 acres, at 2 /. an acre ?— One was within a quarter of a mile of the town, and the other is three miles from the town. 8374. How recent was the letting of those 16 acres?— About six years before. 8375. And of the eight acres ?— I cannot tell that, because the leases were made by the father. 8376. Probably 30 or 40 years old ?— Probably it might be. 8377. It might be 50 or 60 years ?— I could not say. 8378. It was one of those old leases which the man was holding at a very low rent ?— At 1 /. an acre. 8379. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.'] Are you sure it was i /.?— Yes, 1 /. Irish. 8380. Mr. Hogg.] You were very active yourself in the registry ?— Yes. 8381. You were very active in seeing that no Conservative coming to register or to poll, should say or do anything that you did not think right ?— — I did not object to freeholders of the class 1 mention. 8382. You seem to have frightened one man from taking the affidavit ?— I caused him not to take the affidavit. 8383. The man was about to take the affidavit, and you frightened him when he came to that part ?— I believe his conscience frightened liim. 83 84. But his conscience did not speak till you spoke first ?— The man did not expect the affidavit to be put to him. 8385. But in consequence of your interference he did not take the affidavit ? — He did not. 8386. There is another man that you represented as having been disguised in coming up ?— That is the same man. 8387. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] You have said that the 1 /. an acre was Irish currency; were the 38s. an acre English or Irish currency?— English currency I am satisfied. The head landlord has land set at 3 /. 10 s. an acre immediately adjoining this land. 8388. Mr. Curry. j Did you at or about the time of the registry, or at any time afterwards, view and inspect the farms of the persons in the barony of Granard, whose names have been struck off by the Committee here ?— I did. 8389. In what year was that Committee ?— 111 1833, which sat upon the election of 1832. 8390. Llave you a list of the names of the persons whose farms you inspected upon that occasion ?— I have. 8391. Have you it here ?— No, but I have it in town; I can mention the cases. 8392. Will you mention the name of any person whose farm you inspected ? — Thomas Kelly of Clougheerner, a tenant of Mr. Grattan. 8393. Wras his name struck off by the Committee that sat upon the election petition for the county of Longford in 1833 ?— It was. 8394. Did you view his farm ?— I did. 8395. Was it in your judgment of the yearly value of 10/.; had he a bene- ficial interest in it to the extent of 10 /. ?— As to beneficial interest I would wish to understand the question. 8396. Would a solvent tenant have given 10 /. a year for his farm over and above the rent he paid for it ?— Certainly. 8397. At what time did you inspect this man's farm?— On the 3d of April 1835. r 8398. Will you state what quantity of land it was Kelly held ?— It was twelve acres, one rood, seven perches, Irish plantation measure. 8399. What was his yearly rent ?—£. 22. 14 s. 8400. Chairman.]
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