2/ SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 67 at most more than the rent ?— Not quite so much; 30s., Mr. Johnson said, Mr. G Gardiner would be a high rent. 7945. To a solvent farmer?— Yes. 3o March 1838. 7946. In that case, after deliberation, Mr. Tighe admitted that person as a qualified voter ? — He did. 4947. According to that principle and standard of value ?— Yes ; there was a respectable gentleman that valued under the tithe composition, Mr. Webb, refused to come forward the next day at Longford from seeing the admission of that claimant. 7948. Then the result of that decision was, that it appeared useless to bring forward any witnesses as to value ?— It did. 7949. Was the impression made by that decision that Mr. Tighe would not reject any claimant upon the ground of under- value ?— It was. There was another case at Granard, a small case of about six acres, where the claimant was admitted after the examination of a gentleman against a Mr, Brock; he was before rejected, and after his admission the gentlemen felt it quite useless to put themselves forward as witnesses. 7950. That was a case where a man was admitted holding only six acres?—• Yes; James Riley, his holding was 5 acres 3 roods and 25 perches, and the rent 41. 12s. 11 d.; it was about 16s. an acre ; " he said that on account of its situa- tion being near the chapel of Colmkill, he would get 10/. a year profit; has land, and house and garden, which pays him 0/. a year, in which the tenant keeps a public- house." 7951. Then the place that he let of course he did not occupy himself?— No. 7952. Then the part of the farm in his occupation was less than the amount he stated as in his lease by the amount of what he so let ?— It was, whatever quantity there was to the house. 7953. He had let part of the 5 acres, 3 roods and 25 perches?— He had ; he said " he has a good dwelling- house, with one row of windows ; the house was built by his mother before the present lease; his dwelling- house not so large as the one let, but comfortable ; says, that on account of its situation he would get 31, an acre. Mr. Brock was sworn and examined; knew the townland generally ; does not know any part of the townland, the best of it, worth more than 30s. an acre. In answer to the Court, he says, the situation as described by the man himself would not increase its value 10 s. per acre. Court thinks that not taking situation into account for carrying on business the value would not be sufficient, but on account of the situation admits him." 7954. Mr. French.] He had set a small garden and house, for which he got 61. ?— Yes. 7955. The house brought that rent, and the small garden, on account of the situation ?•— On account of the situation, being convenient to a chapel. 7956. If we give the 3 roods 25 perches, that would be a large allowance for the garden ?— I dare say it is less, perhaps only a rood. 79,57. So that at the rate that he set the house, and at the rate that he valued the land, the five acres in his own possession would give him a freehold of 15/.? — It would give him something beyond, at his valuation, but at Mr. Brock's valuation the whole holding would not make 10/. 7958. But was not Mr. Brock's valuation proved to have been erroneous, from the fact of the man getting for a small garden and house 6 /. a year ?— On account of its situation, that was what the court took into account; and we pressed it on him, as not being in the man's possession, that he had not a right to get credit for it. 7959. But his valuation to a great extent was corroborated by this rent he got for the house and garden ?— But he would not get that for the land standing separate without the house. Mr. Brock says the situation would not enhance its value 10 s. an acre. If it were enhanced 10 s. an acre, it would only be from 30 s. to 40 s. 7960. Mr. Lefroy.] Have you observed a great laxity as to the evidence required of the leases, or other documents, under which claimants were admitted to register, for instance, small scraps, documents purporting to be pieces of a lease, being admitted as sufficient foundation for registry?— I have seen claimants frequently rejected on the production of old leases where the rent or stamp, or the executing parties, could not be ascertained, and afterwards admitted. 643. K 2 7961- Have