SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 7569. He would not pay the 16/. 5s. if he did not expect to make at least Mr. G. Gardiner. 5/. ?— A solvent tenant could not, of course, pay the rent without having the — produce out of the land. 28 March 1838. 7570. Of course, the merely obtaining produce to the extent of 16/. 10 « y. will be no reason why a man should give 16/. 10, v. for it as rent; he would expect something more ?— He would have the taxes to pay besides. 7571. He would expect some profit over his rent and taxes ?— He would. 7572. Would not 5/. be as little as he could expect, over the 16/. 5 s., of profit?— He would not get that for so small a quantity of land. 7573- Paying* a rent of 16/. 5 s., and going into possession, would not he expect to make it worth to him at least 5 /. above his rent?— I do not know what he might expect. 7574. What would you consider reasonable yourself for you to expect under such circumstances ?— If I had capital to lay out upon such a bit of land in improving it, and laying it down with stock, I would expect to make some profit of it. 7575. Would not you expect to make some profit of it if you laid out your capital to the extent of 16 /. 10s. a year for rent?— I would expect a remune- ration for the labour, and everything attending it. 7576. And remuneration for the rent ?— Yes. 7577' WTould not you expect to have remuneration to the amount of at least 5 /. or 6 /. a year ?— I do not know that upon that small holding I would. 7578. How much would you expect as a remuneration?— I would expect at any rate 10 per cent, upon the amount of the outlay. 7579. At least that amount clear ?— Yes. 7580. Who is Mulvy tenant to?— He is tenant to Mr. Bonynge. 7581. Has Mulvy a family?— A small family, yet. He is a young man; his father is living in a holding adjoining him. 7582. Has he a wife ?— Yes. 7583. And some children?— I think not more than two or three. 7584. Has he any means of subsistence that you know hut his little farm ?— No; not that I know of. 7585. Is not the soil in Longford generally a wettish soil, much improved by draining ?— Part of it is, indeed. 7586. Where does Mulvy live?— In the barony of Moydoe, the lands are called Ballintubber. 7/) 87. The very name of Ballintubber sounds like watery land?— There is a very fine spring near it. 7588. Is not draining of great use in that neighbourhood?— Those lands are on the side of the hill, and they run down from the top to the low end. 7589. And therefore the ground affords facilities for carrying off the under springs ?— It does. 7590. When land is cultivated, after being drained, you cannot tell by the eye whether it has been drained ?— If I inspected the land narrowly I would. 7591. Did you inspect that land to see whether it had been drained ?— I inspected it with the tithe commissioner, and I valued it very narrowly. 7592. Did you inspect it in 1835 ?— No. 7593. Did you inspect it in 1836 ?— Not so minutely as then ; I went across the land several times since. 7594. Did that commissioner value the land at the full value for the tithe composition ?— He valued the land to its value, in order to applot a certain sum upon the land. 7595. His valuation was made to ascertain the amount of tithe composition ? — He ascertained the amount of tithe composition from the books of the tithe- owner. 7596. It was its relative value he was estimating, in order to know how much to applot upon each particular denomination?— The tithe commissioner was ascertaining its actual value; then when he had ascertained the actual value of the whole parish, he applotted upon each individual holding the sum appor- tioned. 7597. WTas the valuation made prior to the composition, or was it made after the composition, in order to ascertain the relative value of the different farms ? — The composition had been agreed to by the farmers of the parish. 7598. That was a fixed sum ?— It was. H 2 7599- Do c/ J 5i