\ 36 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE T. Courtenay, Esq. 7206. How have any of them been punished since ?— Where there was upwards — of a year's rent due to " the landlord, in one or two instances ejectments may have 87 March 1838. been served. 7207. You would not say were served?— Yes, were served. 7208. Which would not " have been served had they voted the other way, in all probability ?— Perhaps not. 7209. Would you say probably not?— Certainly not. 7210. Were those people put to costs?— One was put to a trifling sum, another I forgave ; I did not charge him anything when he came in before any movement had been made upon the ejectment; I did not suffer him to pay any costs. 7211. Do you say that you know but of two instances ?— I only recollect two. 7212. Was there no other punishment but the two ejectments?— The eject- ments I did not look upon as a punishment; because in one instance it cost the man nothing, and in the other it cost him a very trifling sum. 7213. Was there any punishment besides those two ejectments?— There are some instances where they have been made to pay the rents before the other tenants. 7214. How many of those instances ?— I think not more than five or six. There was no ejectment brought; the person was sent to and warned, and came up. 7215. Any other punishment beside those?— I do not recollect any other at this moment. 7216. Mr. Lefroy.] With respect to those tenants that you thought it neces- sary to urge in the way you have stated, had any intimidation or means been used to induce them to vote against the wishes of their landlord ?— There had. 7217. Was it very much with a view to counteract that influence that you applied to them in the way you have mentioned ?— It was to put the landlord's influence where I conceived it ought to be. 7218. What was the nature of the influence that was used to induce those tenants to vote against their landlords ?— They were visited at night, by armed parties coming to their houses, and in some instances digging graves at their doors, firing shots, and where they could bind the voter down, swearing him to vote for the Whites and his country. They said they would rather keep out of the election altogether, and begged of me to get them, in some instances, a place of protection, and they left their homes, dreading to remain there. 7219. Did you make use of those threats as much or more with a view to give them an answer to those who were urging them to vote against their landlord, than with a view to carry them into execution ?— I certainly used them as much with a view to furnish them with an argument, as to carry out any intended threat. 7220. Was any other influence, beside that of violence such as you have alluded to, used to induce those persons to vote against their landlords ?— Yes. 7221. What was the nature of that?— The influence of the Roman- catholic clergy, I understood from them. 7222. Did you see any of those men who voted against their landlords brought up actually to the poll by the Roman- catholic clergy?— I did. 7223. Mr. Gaskell] How do you believe the generality of those voters would have polled if they had not been solicited either by one party or the other?— If left to themselves, they would poll for their landlords. 7224. Did they often express regret that they were unable to do so, in conse- quence of the intimidation to which they were subject?— They did. 7225. Mr. Lefroy.'] Did you hear of any instances after the election of any of those Roman- catholic tenants who had voted with their landlords beino- ill treated' — I did. 7226. What was the nature of that ill treatment?— When they brought any- thing to market to dispose of, they could find no purchasers for it; and they were not able, as they said, to go to chapel. 7227. Why so; what happened at chapel ?— They were denounced by the Roman- catholic clergy. 7228. For voting with their landlords ?— Yes. 7229. Did you hear of any instances in which persons were prevented from working for Roman- catholic tenants who had voted with their landlords ?— Yes. 7230. So that their harvest could not be saved?— So that their harvest could not be saved, had it not been that people collected in other districts and went down to reap it for them. 7231. Do