SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. > 2.5 hearing their evidence, they appeared to me to put the fair actual value upon the T. Courtenay, Esq. farms that they spoke to. . 7179. Do you call the rack- rent more than the full and fair value?— I do. 27 March 1838. 7180. The tenant that pays a rack- rent pays more than the full value ?— He does. 7181. In what counties have you known the tithe valuators put the full value? — In the county of Longford. 7182. Mr. Gaskell.] Your estimate of the number of voters that are impro- perly placed upon the register is 350; now about how large a proportion of those voters should you say occupy houses not worth more than 21. a year?— If I am to speak from the returns that I am in possession of in preparing for the last petition, I should say half of them. 7183. Mr. O'Connell.] Can you name of your own knowledge any voter who so occupies a house that you not do think of the value of 2I. a year?— I cannot by- name at present; I am not prepared for it. 7184. There is a great deal of party spirit in the county of Longford?— There is. 7185. Is there not violence of party spirit?— There is. 7186. And there is a good deal 011 both sides ?— We have our share of it too. 7187. You would not say that your share is what is called in Ireland the biggest half?— No. 7188. There has been some of what is called persecution of tenants, has not there, for voting against the inclination of their landlords ?— Some tenants who have voted against their landlords have been made to pay their rents perhaps before others who have not. 7180. Do you call that persecution ?— I do not. 7190. Has there been any persecution of tenants for voting against the incli- nation of their landlords ?— I do not know what is meant by persecution. 7191. Taking it in your own sense, has there been any persecution of tenants for voting against the inclination of their landlords?— If I am told what is meant O o by " persecution," I will answer it as well as I can. You might perhaps call it persecution if a man is made to pay his rent before another tenant, who had not voted against his landlord. 7192. Was there any of what you would call persecution of tenants in the county of Longford, for voting against the inclination of their landlord ?— No, I am not aware of any. 7192*. Did you ever know a tenant menaced or threatened, if he did not vote as the landlord chose?— I have said to them myself, that if they did not vote as the landlord chose, perhaps they would be sorry for it. 7193. Upon what estates did you say that; to whose tenants ?— Two or three estates. 7194. Name them.— Lord Lorton's estate. 7195. Any other?— Lady Ross's estate. 7196. Any other?— Yes, Mr. Lefroy's own estate. 7197. Any other ?— Not that I particularly recollect. 7198. Did you mean what you said, when you say you menaced them?— I thought I had a right to do so. 7199. And therefore you must have meant it?— They could be made sorry in. many ways. 7200. You did mean what you said ?— I did mean that they would be sorry for it. 7201. That you would make them sorry ?— That I might. 7202. Did you not say just now that you told them you would make them sorry ?— I said that I told them, that if they did not vote for their landlord they might be sorry for it. 7203. Did not you mean in its full meaning what you said, having the right to do it?— I thought it fair to induce them in every way I could to keep friends with their landlord. 7204. How did you mean to punish them?— At the time I did not contemplate exactlv what would be done ; I used it as an argument with them, for I thought it better that they should keep friends with their landlord, as I have always con- ceived the landlord had the first claim. 7205. How have any of them been punished since ?— None of them have been dispossessed. 643. F 2 720( 3. How