\ 254 M I N U T E S OF E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T HE 19 June 1838. 137 5 3. Are they in the habit of sowing any other crops besides potatoes and oats ; do they sow wheat ?— Not much; they do occasionally. 13754. Then with the two crops they are in the habit of sowing, the gross produce of an acre is worth more than 8 /., and how do you account for saying the " TOSS produce of an acre would not be worth more than 30 s. ?— I say 30 s. an acre profit; although these might produce at that rate, when you deduct the matters which are necessary to be done, in order to bring these crops to market, you would not have then a'profit of 30 s. an acre out of that land. * 13755. But the question was as to the gross produce, not profit?— I do not believe I said the gross produce; if I said the gross produce of an acre was 30 s. I made a mistake. 13756. Mr. O'Connell.] Have you had an opportunity of being acquainted with the soil of the King's County ?— Yes, I have had, that is I have seen it; I have been there ; I was at school in its immediate neighbourhood, and saw what description of soil it was; and during this registration I inquired a good deal about it, and I see appeals upon the subject constantly at the assizes. 13757. The property of your family is in the county of Meath almost entirely ? — Yes, but they are frequently in the King's County. 13758. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] What circuit do you go?— The Home Circuit, through this very town. 13759. Have you gone that circuit since you have been called to the bar?— I have been going the circuit regularly for 12 years. 13760. Are you well acquainted with the King's County ?— Yes. 13761. And well acquainted with the county in which your family reside, too ? — Yes. 13752. Respecting the quality of the land you have been asked something; is soil > f the county of Meath, to which you have alluded in your evidence, a rich soil ?— Yes. 13763. Is it a finer county than King's County ?— It is a more productive soil, I believe, considerably. 13764. Now, in order that we may understand a little better the course that was taken at this registry sessions, I will go to another case, which may perhaps assist us a little. Was there a person of the name of Michael Cassell who pre- sented himself to be registered ?— There was. 13765. Can you state any fact which appeared upon the investigation of that case; what quantity of land, for example, did lie hold ?— He held 15 acres, and he had the grazing of four collops upon a common. 13766. Chairman.] Will you explain what collops mean ?— It means horned cattle ; I so understand it. 13767. The grazing of four horned cattle upon a common ?— Yes. 13768. Mr. O'Connell.] How many sheep are there to a collop in King's County ?— Either four or five, I believe. 13769. What is the portion of a collop which a horse is considered to con- stitute ?— I never heard a horse defined by that term. In this county people have not so many horses. They are not often defined by that term. ] 377°- Chairman.] Then we are to understand that five sheep are considered equivalent to one horned beast in the King's County ?— Yes, I believe so. 13771. You do not mean a horned beast and five sheep ?— No, if he had not a horned beast he might put five sheep in the room of it. 13772. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Then what is meant by a " collop" is one horned beast, or so many sheep as are equivalent to a horned beast ?— Yes. 13773- Mr. O'Connell.] Have you, in old leases, seen a grant of four or five " cows' grazing" ?— Yes. 13774. They are familiar in the South of Ireland?— They are not unusual; but those collops I have seen frequently. 13775. A collop is what would be understood to be a cow's grazing ?— Yes. 13776. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] You state that Michael Cassell has 15 acres, and the grazing of four collops; what did he pay for that?—£. 12. 13777- Was there any calculation entered into upon the investigation of his case, so as to get at the value of his holding ?— There was. 13778. Will you state what the items of that calculation were?— There was, first, supposing the 15 acres to have been worth 11. 10s. an acre, if the rent and tithes were deducted from it, that would not give him 10/. profit. 13779- ^ would not give him 10/. profit?— It would not. 13780. Was