\ 254 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Rev. E. M'Gaver. 12532. Totally turned them off the land?— He turned all these families totally off the land; I will give the names of the tenants if the Committee wish, 1 June 1838. an( j t] ie townlands they belonged to. 12533. Give the names of the townlands.— Langhill, Clough, * * * * 12534. Give the names of the families also.— * ******** There are many others whose farms have been curtailed to make room for a Conservative constituency, and others who were allowed the use of a house and garden ; those I have not given. 12535. But those you have given were totally removed from off Lady Ross's estate 1— Yes. 12536. Did they get any allowance or compensation when they went away?— I am not informed that they got any compensation except this, that the arrears of rent they owed were left with them. 12537. Those persons you spoke of last owed arrears of rent ?— Yes, 1 believe they did upon going out; it might be half- a- year's rent, or it might be more. 12538. These denominations of land were densely peopled?— No, some of them were not; some were large farms. 12539. They were large farms and not densely peopled?— No; James Far- rell and Dennis Farrell, for instance, had large farms, and several others. 12540. In several instances they were not densely peopled?— I will give the names of the tenants who had large farms, they are distinguished in this list from the cotters. I have gone through the list of Kilcommock and Cashel. In the parish of Carrick Edmund 32 families were dispossessed under Lady Ross, making a total of 105. 12541. You give all this information to the Committee of your own know- ledge ?— So far as my own parish is concerned, I have taken a list myself of persons in the respective townlands; so far as Kilcommock is concerned, I have taken it from the clergyman of that parish; and so far as Cashel is con- cerned, I know that of my own knowledge, for I was parish priest there when they were turned out. 12542. You distinguish those you give from your own knowledge, and for the accuracy of which you pledge yourself to the Committee, from those you cannot give from your own knowledge ?— With regard to Kilcommock 1 have strict credence in the gentleman who gave me the information ; and I do state more, that before he gave it to me he stated that though he gave this list to me containing but 31 families, when I first mentioned it to him he said, to the best of his belief, there were upwards of 90; but when he gave it to me he confined it entirely to landholders. 12543. But he first told you he was disposed to believe there were upwards of 90 ?— Yes; and this is " the note he made, " There are many others whose farms have been curtailed to make room for a Conservative constituency, and others who were allowed the use of a house and garden." Those are not in the list of the 31 families. 12544. I think you said something about his having stated to you his belief that the number of families amounted altogether to 90 that were dispossessed ?— Yes ; when I asked him first to give me information upon the subject I told him I was summoned here, and to give me his belief as accurate as he could, and he told me he believed there were 90 families dispossessed, and he gave me the names of families amounting to 31 in number, and then he gave me this note, that the list does not contain the names of those having houses and gardens. 12545. He stated he believed there were about 90 families altogether? — Yes. 12546. Did you believe him ?— I had no reason to disbelieve him; I knew he had no interest to deceive me ; he stated it without calculation at first. 12547. You stated he was a brother clergyman of the Roman- catholic church ?— Yes. 12548. Then this information I think you said you collected when you were summoned to come over here as a witness?— With regard to the parish of Cashel, I know it from the time it occurred, in 1833; I was then parish priest there; what occurred in the parish of Carrick Edmund I collected myself before I came here - md as far as Kilcommock is concerned I collected it in the way I stated. 12549. When