" 7 SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES. IRELAND 2* 5 V. 12394. And therefore you are unable to state whether the tenants are now Rev. E. M'Gaver. Catholics or Protestants ?— Except some few that I see in passing along the road ; I inquired, and found that there are Protestants living in it. "" 29 Way 1838. 12395. Mr. Lefroy.] Was not your former evidence calculated to impress the Committee with the notion that this was the present state of things?— My evi- dence was intended to convey the impression that that occurred at the period I alluded to. 12396. Mr. O'Connell.'] You did not mean to convey that that was the existing state ot things, but that that occurred at a former period ?— Yes. 12397. Mr. Lefroy.] With respect to the 42 Roman- catholic families, who, you say, were turned out in Cashel, and whose lands the Protestants got in 1833, do you mean to say that that is a correct representation of the state of things that took place then ?— Yes. 12398. And that the Protestants got all their lands?— I gave the names of the exceptions. 12399. Did those tenants owe any rent?— No; there were not, perhaps, in Ireland tenants more clear from rent than those tenants; the reason is obvious; they held under a middle landlord, and they always got their rents regularly paid as they became due, up to the time of their title ceasing. 12400. And there was no rent due by any of those men tc their head landlord ?— No, their titles ceased by the fall of Captain Armstrong's liL; they paid the landlord that they held under up to the time of their title leasing, up to the expiration of their title, and they were upon thai expiration ejected ; conse- quently, they could owe no rent, except what accrued from the time of the law proceeding till the time they were put out. 12401. What time intervened between the law proceeding and the time they were put out?— It was about May that Captain Armstrong died, and they were turned out about November; of course, they had a crop. 12402. Chairman.] If you are rightly understood, those parties never ad directly rented of Lady Ross ?— No. 1 2403. They were not her tenants in reality ?— It was a purchase of Lady Ross's ; this was a portion of that estate. i 2404. She had never been in the relation, with reference to them, of landlord and tenant?— No. 12405. The landlords of those people were persons renting under her?— Not under her, but under Lord Newcomen. 12406. She had no direct relation with those parties, in the relation of landlord and tenant ?— Never. 12407. Those individuals, by the death of a life, lost their lease and were dis- possessed of their farms?— Yes. 12408. And then she, in her discretion, instead of taking them on, chose to have other tenants?— Yes. 12409. Mr. Lefroy. Do you mean to say, that she chose to have other tenants altogether?— Yes, exclusively Protestants ; that is, the new tenants who came in were all Protestants. I have given the names of eight or nine Catholics who were left. 12410. How much land was occupied by those 42 families?— I have not a map of the whole townland. 12411. Mr. O'Connell.] What would you estimate that at?— I understood that Montford held about 40 acres ; he was one of the Protestants that came in. 12412. Chairman.] Are you talking of Irish acres?— Yes. 12413. Mr. Lefroy.] Those were the tenants of the middle- men who were dis- possessed ?— Yes. 12414. Notwithstanding that, did any of them get any sum of money, or were there any allowances made to them when they were going away ?— I have an account of the compensation given to the following persons, tenants on the property of Lady Ross, who were dispossessed in the parish of Cashell, in the year 1833 : Christopher Petridge, 1/.; Lawrence Finneran, 3/.; James Hanly, 1/.; John Finneran, 2/ ; Patrick Finneran, 3/.; Michael Petridge, 10s.; John Skelly, 3/.; Widow Smith, 1/.; John Walsh, 11. ; Widow Cronin,^ 10s.; James Skelly, 5s.; John Ferrall, il. 10s.; John Evers, 1/. 105.; Michael Skelly, 11. 10s. Thomas M'Donagh, 1/. 105.; Daniel Skelly, 15s.; Peter Skelly, 10s.; John Ferrall, 7s. 6d.; Leary Stanly, 15s.; James Conry, 1/. lOf.; Peter Connor, 21. 10s.; Widow Kenny, 15s.; Widow Skelly, 5s.; making a total of 29/. 12s. 6d., the 643. ' ' 113 total