\ 254 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Rev. E. M'Gaver, at the election of 1833, at the hustings, holding his handkerchief and waving it at anything that he thought would be pleasant to Lord Forbes. 29 May 1838. J2372.^ 1s that the only instance you can state of a Protestant clergyman taking a part at the hustings, or at any election in the county of Longford ?— That is the only instance with regard to the hustings ; with regard to elections, in general, I know them to vote for the Tory party. 12373. Do you imagine that there is anything wrong in a Protestant clergyman's voting? That is the part I saw them take ; I cannot say what part they take at their meetings, as I do not attend their meetings. 12374- Have you ever seen a single Protestant clergyman interfere with any other person as to his voting ?— I am not aware. 12375. Are you now able to name any other clergyman whom you saw do any- thing except vote, besides the one whom you saw wave his handkerchief?— I do not know. 12376. You are a regular attendant at the elections?— Yes. 12377. If anv Protestant clergyman had taken an active part, must you not have seen it ?— No ; it might have occurred without my seeing it; we have many booths. 12378. Do not you know that Mr. Crawford was a private and particular friend of Lord Forbes ?— I know he was. 12379. And appeared warmly attached to the family?— Yes. 12380. Are you aware that he was under obligations to Lord Forbes?— i am. 12381. Deep obligations?— I should think so. 12382. Then was not the conduct of that gentleman influenced by motives of personal friendship and regard for Lord Forbes, and was not his conduct an excep- tion to the conduct of Protestant ministers, and not the rule ?— I do not condemn him for his conduct. 12383. Was not his an exception to the general conduct of Protestant ministers? — So far as 1 know, it was. 12384. Mr. Lefroy.] Are there any Roman- catholic tenants holding farms upon the lands of Lisnana at present?— I do not know ; I have not lived there for many vears, and I cannot state what is the case now. 12385. Then there may be Roman- catholic tenants living on it for aught you know ?— There may be some. 12386. Without knowing the state of those lands as to their present occupants, bow do you justify having stated to the Committee that Protestants are now living there in place of the Roman- catholics that were expelled from it?— I state that still. 12387. Do you mean to say that there are Protestants in place of all the Roman- catholic tenants?— I do not say " all;" I say that there are Protestants in place of Catholics, but that is not excluding all Catholics. 12388. You mean that there are some Protestants ?— Yes. 12389. Then you only meant to convey that there were some Protestants living in place of some Roman- catholics that were evicted; is that your evidence now ? — I mean to say that now there are Protestants living there ; whether there are any Roman- catholics living there now as landholders, I cannot say; that occurred about 25 years ago, and I have left that neighbourhood since ; when it occurred I never thought I should be examined upon it. 12390. Then if your representation was calculated to convey the impression that that land was laid waste of all the Roman- catholics that were" upon it, and that it was now wholly occupied by Protestant tenants, it is not a just representation according to your present view ?— My representation regarded what occurred at that time, but what changes have taken place since I cannot be accountable for. 12391. Then you do not mean to give the Committee any account of the present state of those lands?— No, except that I am often passing the road, and there are some comfortable houses of Protestants convenient to the road. 12392. If your representation be true, that at that time all the Roman- catholics were turned off and Protestants got their farms, how is it that since then Roman- catholics have got farms upon that land ?— I do not say that Roman- catholics have not got farms since, for I am not going to say whether they have or have not; I only state what occcurred then; any change that occurred since, I cannot speak for, as I do not live near the place. 12393. Mr. O'Connell.] You say your knowledge of the locality has ceased? — Yes. 12394. And