\ 254 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Rev. E. M'Gaver. 12328. Had he seen the man at his own house, with regard to his vote, before the election ?— Yes. 2y May 1838. 12329. Did he apply to him to vote for the Liberal interest?— He did so, and he had no doubt but that he would vote upon the Liberal side. 12330. He was aware that Mr. Fox was anxious that he should vote the other way?— Certainly. 12331. This clergyman saw him in order to get him to vote against his land- ed?— Yes; he saw " him even on the Saturday evening, and he had no doubt he would act honestly. 12332. This gentleman told you that from what passed betwixt them he had no doubt that he would act honestly ?— Yes. 12333. Had he seen the man often upon the subject of his vote ?— He had often seen him ; but on the subject of his vote I do not think it was necessary, for he never gave him reason to suspect him. 12334. Mr. O'Connell.] How often had he voted upon the Liberal side before? — Upon every occasion. 12335. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.'] The woman also died of a broken heart?— That is the feeling. 12336. Did you see the men while they were made drunk in the inn ?— I would not be allowed to see them ; but Magee stated it to me, and gave me leave to make any use of it I thought proper. He stated that he was brought in. He mentioned the names of the persons that brought him in. He stated that he was taken into the hotel; that he was set drunk there ; that he was taken from there in a car- riage to Carryglass ; that he endeavoured to get out on Sunday, and asked leave to go to mass; that he did not get leave; that he was kept there till he was brought in under military escort, and brought up protected by the military and police till he was brought to the booth. What occurred then we all know ; that he voted for us, and in compensation for such an act we chaired him through the streets. 12337. You gave this account of these proceedings adopted on the other side to kidnap the voters as the reason why the priests put themselves at the head of their troops, and brought the people into town to vote?— One of the reasons. 12338. Do you now say that those transactions were the cause of this organiza- tion amongst the clergy throughout all their respective parishes, that they should come into the town, either one or both the clergy of the parish, at the head of the people?— At the election of 1833 we were informed by some person, who learnt it from the enemy's camp, that they were determined, if they could, to kidnap our freeholders, and we heard that if they could not do it they would endeavour to give them some drink that would prevent them from voting. We found it necessary then to mention publicly to the people to take care not to associate with them, to take neither eating nor drinking from them. Notwithstanding that advice, one of my parishioners went into the house of a man of the name of Gandley; he got a glass of beer or porter, or ale, or whatever it was, from a friend on the Conservative interest; on drinking it he got very ill. I met with him, and he was taken quickly off, and he was so ill that I was afraid lie would not be able to finish the oath nor give his vote; he did, however. Dr. Nicholls, who was here, was the person I gave him in charge to; he gave him what medicine he thought necessary, but I am well aware that he was ill many days afterwards in consequence of this drink; his name is William Green. 12339. Who was the man from the enemy's camp that gave you that informa- tion ?— I do not think it would be fair to tell that; he is in the employment of a gentleman who takes a very active part on the other side. 12340. He is still— He is living still. 12341. And he is still in the service of this gentleman on the other side?— He is. 12342. It was in 1 833 that that man came from the enemy's camp, and gave you information?— Yes, before the election; we then went the first time at the head of our parishioners. 12343. Was it one of your own parishioners that gave you that information ?— He was not my own parishioner. 12344. And that is the reason that all the priests throughout the county of Long- ford go up to town at the head of their party ?— It is one of the reasons. 12345. Was there a meeting of the priests to arrange the matter?— Whenever elections are going on we have meetings as often as we think it necessary; twice a week sometimes. 12346. Of