1 7 / 0 - v' o SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 233 12148. Did any of them get any part of the land?— I think they did ; some of Rev. E. M'Gaver. those have got some skirts of it, but no leases; none of them got leases. . 12149. What estate was this?— Lady Ross's. There were dispossessed in the 29 M* y 1838. townland 42 families, which comprised 245 individuals, and they were replaced by Protestant freeholders, eight in number ; and on their being dispossessed, Mr. Robinson* said to John Finearn, one of the tenants dispossessed, " Not one of your profession will get a sod of land from my Lady Ross." 12150. Were you present when that person said that?— I had it from the tenants, and they are rendy to swear to it. 12151. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Is Robinson living ?— He is. 12152. What is he?— The agent of the late Lady Ross. 12153. Where does he live?— At Lisglassic. 12154. You never heard him say these things?— No. 12155. Who told you that he said so?— I had it from John Finearn and from John Farrell. 12156. You say that he said that he would never give a sod of land to any of his profession?— Yes. 12157. When did he tell you that?— When it occurred, in the year 1833. 12158. Chairman.] When did this conversation take place; in what part of 1^ 33 ?— It was after the time of their being turned out; I think it was about No- vember. After they had been turned out, they were endeavouring to make all the interest they could. 12159. Then it was after November 1 833 that you had this conversation?— Yes ; then at that unseasonable season of the year there was one man of the name of John Farrell, bis wife had a lying- in, actually sick; she would not be allowed to remain in for a day ; and she was delivered in the garden, and the child died. 12160. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Do you know that ?— I had it from her com- plaint. 12161. You do not know it of your own knowledge?— I was not present when the thing occurred, but I have no doubt that it did occur. 12162. Does this transaction refer to the farm from which you say 42 Roman- catholics were turned out. and Protestants let in ?— Yes. 12163. How many Protestants were there?— Eight Protestants got in. 12164. How many Roman- catholics ?— Forty- two families were turned out. 12165. How many Roman- catholics were there retained?— Nine Catholic families, 12166. Then there were nine Catholic families readmitted with the eight Pro- testant families ?— Yes ; they got small portions. 12167. Chairman.] What do you mean by small portions?— The first four, Peter Conor, John Farrell, James Scally, Patt Caserly, got 20 acres between them, five acres each; James M'Donagh, seven acres, and Michael Casey, four acres; those are tenants- at- will; Thomas M'Donagh is now a day- labourer to Montfort, one of the occupying freeholders ; Michael Scally is another. 12168. Mr. O'Connell.] Those are labourers?— Common day- labourers; cot- tiers without land. 12169. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] What quantity of acres did the eight Protestants get?— In the first list I have, where 95 individuals were turned off, one man, Montfort, got, I believe, 40 or 50 acres; in the second list there were 27 dispos- sessed, and they were replaced by two Protestant freeholders, named Arthur Wil- son and Kit Hewit; the 41 individuals were replaced by John Sodan and Hugh Rollins; this is John Sodan, jun., respecting whom I was examined so much ; I find him here as having land ; he was registered since that; Pat. Evers is an exception to those above; he got leave to remain in his farm ; he got an increase of eight acres, but he never got any lease. 12170. Is he a Roman- catholic ?— Yes ; all the exceptions I gave were Roman- catholics ; they were turned out, and afterwards got land. 12171. Are they included in the nine Roman- catholics that were restored?— Yes. 12172. You were understood to say, in answer to a former question, that 42 Roman- catholics were turned out and Protestants put in their places ; do you mean to abide by that answer?— I do, with the exception of Evers, because the land that they got was not the land they had before ; ' others got that, and they got some upon the outskirts. 643. 1111 12173. Then