\ 254 M I N U T E S OF E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T HE Rev. E. M'Gaver. l1830. That is, 3 I. for grazing a cow summer and winter ?—\ es. 11831. Do you know a person of the name of John Sodan, jun., of Ballyhinch- 25 May 1838. hinch ?— I do ; I knew him in the parish of Cashell 11832. He was a resident in your former parish ?— He was. 11833. Do you know whether he voted at the election of 1833 ?•— Yes, he did. 11834. After the registry of 1832 ?— Yes. 11835. Was he at that time a registered freeman of the county of Longford? — He was not. 11836. Upon whose certificate did he vote?— Upon his father's. 11837. What was his father's name ?— John, also. 11838. For whom did he vote ?— For Lord Forbes and Mr. Lefroy. 11839. What means have you for knowing he voted on his father's certificate? — I objected to the father getting his certificate, owing to the notice that had been served. I was by when the father's certificate was renewed. 11840. This was at the October registry in 1832?— Yes; I objected to it, inasmuch as I knew the man from living in my parish ; it was John Sodan, jun., of Ballyhinch, in the notice; I knew the father was John, sen.; I objected to the notice, but he was, nevertheless, registered, and the certificate taken out in that way. The father came up to register on that notice; I mentioned the subject to all concerned, in the booths, lest he might vote upon it, and the question was put to him, " Was he John Sodan, jun. ?" He could not say he was, of course, and he was rejected. After that the son got the certificate ; he was asked, " Was he the John Sodan, jun., mentioned in that certificate ?" he paused, and was declining to vote in that way, and he was ordered to go down; as he wTas going down the father met him and told him to go back, and he did go back, and voted. 11841. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] You were by at all this ?— I was not by when the man voted, but I had reason for knowing it. 11842. Were you by when that passed between the father and son?— No; I left persons watching at the booth, when I went out on other business; and a gentleman I left watching told me this passsed when I was out. 11843. Who was that gentleman ?— Mr. Skelly. 11844. What is he ?— He is my curate. 11845. You left him to watch ?— Yes; I did not like a vote to be put against us when I could help it, and it shocked him so much, he said lie believed it could not be done. 11846. And this was done in open court?— Yes. 11847. Mr. Curry.] The son was going down ; he met the father, and the father told the son to go back and vote, and he did go back, and voted accordingly ?— Yes. 11848. And that took place at the election in 1833 ?— Yes. 11849. And the father was the person who got the certificate at the October sessions of 1832, upon which the son voted at the election of 1833 ?— Exactly. 11850. Mr. Lefroy.] You said that you and your curate were both pretty active in county Longford politics ?— I was; I always took an interest in them. 11851. You say you never used any intimidation with your flock?— I do. 11852. Only you encourage them?— I encourage, and encouraged them. 11853- Where did you give that encouragement?— I gave it to them every time I had an opportunity of speaking to them; I sometimes did at the altar, it and sometimes at public meetings, and lost no opportunity, when I had a favour- able opportunity, of impressing upon their minds the necessity they were under of registering their votes. 11854. Then you had no hesitation in addressing them upon that subject from your altar ?— Not the slightest; I considered it was my duty to do so. 11855. And you considered that was the proper use to which to apply that place ?— I do consider they were under a moral obligation to the community, and in what belonged to morals I thought it was a place to instruct them in; I consider 1 was not taking from the sanctity of the altar, by instructing the people in their moral duties. 11856. On occasions after the elections, when any of your flock went against your advice, did you ever address them from the altar; did you ever denounce them from the altar?— I request to know what you mean by denouncing, because it may be construed in different ways; if you mean excommunication, I never did any such thing. 11857. Have