2 2 / SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 217 11797. What is the date of the lease; have you the date of the lease down, Rev. E. M'Garer. or can you state it from recollection ?— I have not the date of the lease; but I think it is in 1823 ; I am not positive ; I can bring it; I did not think of that. 25 Alay 1838. 11798. It is about that time ?— Yes. i 1799. You say you know the farm well?— Yes. 11800. In your judgment, what is the acreable value of that farm; what is it worth, one acre and another ?— I did not form a judgment in that way; I wished as a clergyman to keep aloof from the value of that land. 11801. Did you receive from Mulvey any return of the produce of his farm, and in what year?— I did for the year 1836. 11802. What did he return to you as the produce of his farm in that year ?— He gave an acre of potatoes, three roods of oats and two acres of bear. 11803. Any meadow ?— He did not state any meadow. 11804. Had he any other crops in his farm ?— The rest was in grazing. 11805. Did he give you a statement of the produce of so much of the crops grown in that year as he had disposed of?— Yes. 11 806. What did he return to you as the price of the potatoes he had sold ?— He put into his pocket 17/. 165. for potatoes; that was the amount received for them. 11807. What did he receive for the two acres of barley or bear?—£. 17. 5s. 11808. And what for the produce of the three roods of oats?—£. 17. 10s. 11809. And he stated to you that he had put that money in his pocket as the produce of the three denominations of crops ?— Yes. 11810. Did he state any produce he had received for the stock on his farm ?— Yes ; he had three cows; he reared a calf, and sold butter to the amount of 19/. 11811. He had three cows, and sold butter to the amount of 19/., and reared a calf besides ?— Yes. 11812. Have you referred to the evidence given by Gardner respecting Mulvey's farm ?— Yes; my attention has been directed to it. 11813. Mr. Lefroy.] How much did you put for the calf in this account?— I did not value the calf at all. 11814. You were not so exact as to put a value upon the calf?— No, I took liis own statement. 11815. Mr. Curry.] Gardner in his evidence stated that Mulvey had a wife and family ?— Yes. 11816. And there was no house on Mulvey's farm ?— Yes. 11817. In point of fact, is Mulvey married ?— He is not married. 11818. Has he any family ?— He has 110 family. 11819. Has he a house upon the land ?— A very comfortable dwelling- house. 11820. Do you think, from the nature of Gardner's evidence, that he could have examined that farm with any degree of particularity at all ?— I think he could not have seen it at all, to give evidence according to his knowledge. 11 821. Was it possible, if he had seen the farm, to omit seeing the house upon it?— It is impossible. 11822. Do you know a farm belonging to a person of the name of Michael Gallassy ?— I do not know that farm, but Michael Gallassy showed me his lease, and gave me a statement as Mulvey did, and this is an extract from it. 11823. Have you the date of Gallassy's lease?— I do not see that I made a note of the date ( the Witness referred to a memorandum). 11824. How many acres of ground has he? — 8 A. 3 R. 20 P. Irish plantation measure. 11825. What is the rent he pays ?—£. 7. 2 5. late currency. 11826. That you took from the lease itself, the number of acres and the rent ? — Yes ; it makes 6 /. 11 5. present currency. 11827. Did he give you a return of the produce of his farm for any year ?— He gave it in this manner: an acre of meadow which he valued at 7 /., about 4 A. in tillage, and 3 A. 3 11. of pasture, upon which he fed last year three cows. 11828. Has he returned you the value of the produce of the tillage land or the pasture?— No; he said he purchased the interest of Cunningham under that lease for 20 /. about six or seven years past; would get, if he set it now, 2 /. per acre for the land; the cost of building his house he valued at 20/. 1 1829. He had built a house upon the land itself?— Yes; and he gave further 2/. 10 s., paid to a neighbour for the grazing of a cow summer half- year, and 1 /. for the winter. 643. F F 11S30. That