SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 215 11 749. Were Cunningham or Burns, or either of them, registered as voters for the county ?— They were. 11750. Did they vote at the last election ?— They did, I believe; I am sure they did. 11751. For whom did they vote ?— For the Whites. 11752. Both Cunningham and Burns voted for the Messrs. White at the last election for the county of Longford ?— Yes. 11753- Mr. Lefroy.] You have stated that this lease contained a clause of re- assumption by the landlord ?— So I understood it to be. 11754. Does it not contain a reciprocal clause, a right reserved to the tenant of putting an end to the lease upon his part, if he should think fit?— Yes, I believe so. H755- Upon the same terms precisely upon which the landlord can put an end to it ?— Yes, I believe so. 11756. That is, there are reciprocal clauses of surrender and re- assumption?— Yes • 11 757. A clause, on the part of the landlord, enabling him to put an end to it at his will and pleasure, upon giving a certain notice, and a clause giving the tenant a right to put an end to it at his will and pleasure?— Yes, that is as I understood it to be. 11758. Pray do you not believe that Cunningham and Burns had both, before the last election, voted against their landlord on former occasions ?— I believe they did. 11759. This lease is dated in 1831, is not it?— Yes. 11760. We have had since 1831, in the county of Longford, four elections, I believe ?— A good manv. 11761. And these men have, on former occasions, voted against their landlord? — Yes. 11 762. And no proceeding, to put an end to the lease, was ever taken on any former occasion ?— Not that I heard of. 11763. As you have not given any evidence, or have not taken upon yourself to state the grounds upon which this notice was served, I do not ask you any questions respecting it. Y'ou have not stated, as I collect from you, any ground for which this notice was served ?— There was no question of the kind asked me. 11764. Who did you get this lease from ?— From Cunningham himself. 11765. Did you ask him for it, or did he volunteer giving it to you?— I served some notices upon the other tenants that had leases, the same as these, and I called upon him for it, at the same time, to enable me to give evidence before the Committee if they had gone into those things; there were 10 or 12 other persons in the neighbourhood who are situated in the same way as those two who voted for Mr. Lefroy, and they have not been disturbed in any way. 11766. Chairman.] I want to know, in your calculation of the value of the land as between landlord and tenant, did you ever take into account the value of the tithe?— Generally speaking, I did not. 11767. You mean to state that, supposing you have given your opinion to the Committee that such and such land is worth 485. or 50^. an acre, you have not taken into account any deduction for the value of the tithe ?— Yes; I calculated that any man taking it would take it at that rent, conceiving and knowing he would have to pay the tithe besides. 11768. Now, upon land which you state to be, in your opinion, worth 50 s. an acre, what amount of tithe would you consider legally due ?— It is very difficult to tell that, probably 2 s. or 2 . s. 6 cl., where the land is so good. 11769. You mean to state 2 s. an acre would be the outside deduction?— I can- not accurately state it, for I do not know the value of the acreable tithe in any part of the county. 11770. You do not know the value of the acreable tithe ?— No ; it is all tithe composition now. 11771. What is the tithe composition ?— I cannot say ; it is generally 1 s. 6 d. 01* 2 s. an acre. 11772. In all your calculations, the utmost you have allowed upon land of the value of 50 an acre has been 2 s. for the value of the tithe ?•— I do not allow it at all; but if land is in the market to be set, and would bring 50 s. an acre, it would bring that with the tithe upon it as it is. 643- ° EE 4 11773. That A Mr. E. Eooney. 25 May 1838