S E L E C T C O M M I T T E E ON F I C T I T I O U S VOTES, IRELAND. 175 / 10954. You took a very active part on the Liberal side at those elections?— Mr. James Ternan. Yes, as a friend of Mr. White, I did. 10955. Of course you were pretty much in their confidence, and knew pretty 22 May 1S38. much what was going on ?— Indeed I did. 10956. You state that there did vote on your side some who had lost their qualification ?— Yes ; I know of instances of one or two men upon our side, but they did it contrary to the advice of the agent. 10957. Only one or two?— At the election of 1836 there were four or five; there were about an equal number on both sides; there were prosecutions afterwards. 10958. How many voted at the election of 1835 on the Liberal side that had lost their qualification?— I do not recollect the election of 1835 so well as 1836. 10959. In 1836 ?— I could only give the number; I have already stated those the lives in wrhose leases had dropped. 10960. And there were no others that you know or believe ?— There might be. 10961. But you do not know of any ?— No ; I would not allow any to go up, so far as I was concerned; I knew one or two, the lives in whose leases had dropped, and they refused to go up ; although solicited to go up, they would not do it. 10962. Not a single man who had altogether lost his qualification voted at the election of 1836 on the Liberal side?— Not that I know. 10963. You do not believe that a single man voted on the Liberal side that had lost his qualification, except those you have mentioned ?— No. 10964. Not an insolvent ?— Yes, I know there were insolvents ; but, with the exception of one man, they were insolvents previous to the registry in 1832; there was one man, of the name of M'Gill, that was living in Longford. 10965. Then those who voted, being insolvent in 1836, were insolvent when they registered ?— Yes, and registered after their insolvency. 10966. Upon a new title, or upon an old title?— I cannot say; I should think upon a new title. 10967. Why do you say that they were insolvent when they voted, if they had a new title when they registered ?— The reason I say that is, that they were objected to as insolvents, and I would not know it except for that; I did not say that they were insolvents. 10968. Then you cannot say that a single man who had become insolvent after the time of the first registry voted on the Liberal side at any election since 1832 ?— I cannot at this moment recollect any but one, a man of the name of M'Gill. 10969. Then what did you mean by saying that you saw the certificates of insolvents on both sides ?— I was summoned, and came over here in 1836 ; and I was asked by the agent of Mr. White to take over the certificates, to get the certificates from the Insolvent Court, and afterwards I refused to do it-. 10970. Did you upon that occasion find that there were any that had become insolvent upon the Liberal side ?— Only in the one instance that I refer to. There were a good many that were objected to by the opposite party as insol- vents, but there was only one instance where that objection would have been held good that I know. 10971. Mr. O'Connell.] How many upon the other side ?— Six or seven. 10972. Had they been insolvent subsequently to the registry?— Some of them had. 10973. Mr. Lefroy. You state positively that there was only one case of insolvency upon the Liberal side after the registry ?— As well as I recollect. I know the majority was upon the opposite side. 10974. Can you say that there were not more than one upon the Liberal side ? — That is as far as I recollect. 10975. But you will not say that there might not have been four or five ?— I do not think there could have been that number. 10976. Three or four?— There might have been more than that, but I only know one. 10977. What makes you suppose that there were six or seven upon the oppo- site side ?— Because my recollection is that there were that number objected to. 10978. With respect to Peter M'Laughlin, it was an ejectment for non- pay- ment of rent under which you had possession of his farm ?— Yes. 643. * B B 10979- He