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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

30/07/1838

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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

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188 MlNX J T E S O F E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T HE Mr Bryan clogher. 10290. What do you mean by that ?- That they would allow the tenant his Mr. Bryan ^^ t0 hig franchise, and other Committees would not; that 18 May 1838. I often heard. ,, , , . , . „ 10291. And who said that?— Mr. Nesbitt told me that he had been here before a Committee once. . . 10^ 02 And did he tell you in what manner the beneficial interest was to be calculated ?— He had no necessity to tell me how it was to be calculated, for 1 knew that as well as he did. 10293. Did he tell you?— Of course he did; he did give his opinion upon it, and the manner he would calculate it. 10294. What was it Mr. Nesbitt told you with regard to beneficial interest?— The way I have described it here. 10295. Just tel1 us what he saicl t0 y° u ?— He said ifc was necessary t0 have ^ e beneficial interest calculated ; that some committees would probably give the tenant the benefit of it, and others might not ; I recollect he told me that. 10296. Did he tell you the way in which it should be calculated ?— The way he and I adopted was what I have put down here. 10297. Did he tell you the way in which it should be calculated?— I do not recollect; I am sure he told me his manner of doing it. 10298. Did you tell him what was your manner of doing it?— I did, of course ; it was in the same way ; there could be no difference in the way of finding the net proceeds of any crop. 10299. first told you his way, and then you told him your way?— I do not see that there could be any difference. 10300. Did you tell him your opinion ?— Yes, because we calculated together. 10301. Mr. Lefroy.] In the last calculation you have given us, do you include everything you included in the former one?— I have it here now. 10302. Read it?— 1 have 34/. 13 s. for rent, I have 24/. 14s. for labour, 2 I. 10 s. tithes and cess, I have 4/. interest upon stock, and 5 I. for the attendance of a herd. 10303. How much do you make that altogether ?—£. 66. 17 s. 11 d. 10304. What do you deduct that from ?— From 135 I.; that is 73 /. first. 10305. I ask you, in order to get the beneficial interest, from what do you deduct that 66/. 17 s. 1 \ d. ?— I think from 135/. 10 s. 3 d. 10306. What is the gross produce ?—£. 135. 16 s. 3 d. 10307. Tell us how you make that 135 I. 165. 3 d. ; how much do you make the beneficial interest upon that calculation ?— That would make it 68 /. i8<?. 4 d. 10308. £. 68. 18 s. 4 d. is what you make it ?— Yes. 10309. Now that is the third calculation of beneficial interest you have given us to- day ?— That is as I think it ought to be. 10310. Which do you abide by?— I abide by this. 10311. £. 68. 18 s. 4 d. ?— Yes. 10312. But that is the third calculation you have given us to- day ?— It is the third calculation. 10313. And they are all different one from the other. The first is 58 /. 9 4^.? — Yes. 10314. The next is 73 I 3 s. ?— Yes. 10315. And the third is 68 /. 18 ?— Yes. 10316. But you prefer to abide by the last of them ?— Yes, I do. 10317. Nov/ if this calculation, which you will abide by, is the beneficial interest of 21 acres 1 rood of land, which you valued at 2 I. 8 5. an acre, will you reconcile that with your calculation of Roarke's beneficial interest upon 22 acres 2 roods of land, which you valued at 1 6 s,, and which you describe in your evidence as bad land, and upon which you set a beneficial interest of 64 I. ?— I think it may ; I think the calculations are correct. 10318. You think they can be reconciled ?— I do. 10319. Then will you reconcile them ?— Yes. . 10320. Can you say anything to reconcile them further than that the calcula- tions aie correct?— I do not see any reason to think they are incorrect. 10321. Now, in these two calculations, have you not allowed the same for the amount and the value of the produce of an acre of land valued at 1 I 6 s., which you have allowed for the value of the produce of an acre of land valued at 2 /. 8 5. ? '— I believe 1 have. 10322. Mr.
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