Mr. Bryan Clogher. 18 May 1838. 188 MlNXJTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE and your renewed examination this day, until I compared your calculation as to Brady's beneficial interest with Roarke's ?— I was not examined as to the beneficial interest until you came. 10233. Were you not examined as to the beneficial interest upon Brady's farm ? — I was as to the produce, the crops. 10234 Chairman.'] Did you not state he could afford to give ditional rent to what he now gave ?— I stated it was worth was not that 15 s. an acre over the rent additional I think you asked me, I said yes. . 1023,5. And beyond the labour of himself and other persons, 15 s. an acre 1 I. 8 s.; and he paid, and he would be obliged to employ in tillage; was not that called to your attention by the question? — I believe it was. 10236. Did not that go near to remind you of the necessity of horses in tillage? — Yes. ' . 10237. But you quite omitted to make to the Committee any mention of horses until it was accidentally brought out to- day?— Yes ; you desired me to calculate the expense of tillage, and bring it here. 10238. Did you not take down the ploughing and harrowing, turning out manure, seed, planting, and finishing?— Yes. 10239. And how many men were necessary to attend the plough?— Yes, I gave that statement. 10240. And how many ploughs would plough an acre?— Yes. 10241. But still, in all these calculations, and all these answers, you quite omitted the horses?— Yes; because at first you desired me not to mind the horses. 10242. But in all your answers did you omit the horses?— I did in that calcu- lation. 10243. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Is it usual, in your part of the country, to plough without horses?— It is not. 10244. Mr. Lefroy.] Will you proceed now to tell me how you make out the increase upon Brady's beneficial interest ?— By the horses. 10245. How much do you allow for his horses?—£. 10. a horse. 10246. £. 10. a horse, over and above their keep ?— Yes, I would allow 20/. for the two horses beyond their keep. 10247. That is the way you make out Brady's beneficial interest to be 73 /. 3s.? — Yes. 10248. Then, independent of the horses, by your last calculation you make it Brady's beneficial interest to be 55/. 8s. 4d.}— Yes. 10249. And you add 20/. for the horses?— I do. 10250. How much would that make his beneficial interest ?— About 75 /. 8 s. 4 d. 10251. How much exactly?—£. 75. 8 s. 4 d. 10252. How do you reconcile that with the answer you gave me that Brady's beneficial interest, upon your second calculation, was 73/. 65.?— Taking the tithes, and the county cess, and the interest upon stock from that. 10253. How much do you deduct from that for the tithe and county cess, and interest upon stock ; first, how much do you deduct for tithe ?— I will say 1 /.; I am not sure what it is, because I do not know the tithe nor the county cess. 10254. Will you give me the items by which you made out the calculation that his interest was worth 73 l. 6 s. ?— The way I put it down here is this : I have put down 20 I. 14s. nd. for the labour, 34/. 13^ for rent, 1/. 10s. county cess, 1 /. tithe, and interest upon stock 4 I.; that makes 61 /. 17 11 d 10255 Chairman.] That is the whole charge?— Yes, the whole charge that is to be deducted from the produce of the farm. 10256. Do you mean to say the whole charge of the cultivation of this farm, taking into account everything, labour, rent, interest upon stock, and everything else, is 61 /. 17 s. 11 d. r— Yes. J ° 10257. You stake your reputation, as a surveyor of land, upon that calculation ? - 1 add 5 I more tor a herd, at the suggestion of one of the Committee. 10258. That is 661. 17 . s. 11 d. ?— Yes. anything. ^ ^^ ^ y° U g°! ng t0 add?~ I do not recollect 10260. You allow 41, for interest upon stock ?— Yes. 10261. How out