188 MlNXJTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Mr. Bryan Clogher. 10118. How do you make it 20 I. 14*. 11 d. ?— It is very near that. — 10119. Will you go through the figures again ? 18 May 1838. ^ The Witness m so with pen and ink.) 10120. Now what do you make it ?—£. 20. 135. 4d. 10121. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.'] Do you understand arithmetic ?— Yes, I do. 10122. Are you a surveyor ?— Yes. 10123. How long have you been a surveyor?— About 25 years. 10124. Chairman.] Are you equally accurate in all your calculations which you have submitted to the Committee, as you are in this statement of figures ?— I think they are accurate. 10125. Mr. French.] In the answer you gave, did you tot the figures before you gave your answer now, or was it a general answer independent of those figures ?— I did it at home ; it makes 20/. 145. 2 d. 10126. I believe there is generally nothing but a little child that drives in and out the cattle in grazing?— That is all. 10127. And according to the mode practised in Ireland of attending grazing cattle, there is in fact no labour required?— No ; they do not employ any man to do it. 10128. Any child in the house, a son or daughter, generally drives the cattle out in the morning, and drives them home in the evening ?— Yes. 10129. Chairman.] Suppose the farmer has no son or daughter, what happens then?— It takes him very little of his own time to do it. 10130. Mr. Litton.'] Is there not generally, or almost universally, a herd, as they call him, left with the grazing cattle, be that herd a girl or a boy?-— Yes; but in this case the man resides on the farm himself, and it would be too small to give any part of it to a herd. 10131. Suppose there are 100 acres, with 11 or 12 for grazing, or supposing 50 acres, and half of it in grazing, is it not usual to have a boy or a girl as a herd ? — Yes, upon 50 acres. 10132. Did you ever know of so many acres of grazing without a herd, and the herd watching the whole day, to prevent the cattle breaking the fences, going into the wrong fields, and other matters of that kind ; is there not always a herd ?— If a man does not reside upon his farm there is. 10133. Or if he does reside ?— If he does reside, he does not have a herd, except himself or his family. 10134. Whether it is himself or his family, is it not necessary for 20 acres of grazing land to have a person coming and watching the grazing cattie, in the form of a herd ?— It is necessary, of course, to watch them if the fields are not well enclosed. 10135. Is it not usual to have a herd for 20 acres, well enclosed or not well enclosed ?— I do not know that a man's time is taken up entirely ; it is generally a child. 10136. I know a herd is generally a boy or girl; but is it not usual, upon 20 acres of grazing, to have a herd, be it a boy or a girl ?— Yes, it is usual. 10137. You say, if a man resides upon his farm, it is not so necessary; pray, let me ask you, if a man is sowing wheat at one end of his farm, is it not as necessary to have a herd at the grazing, at the other end of his farm, as if he did not reside upon it; if he is employed in labour at one end, he cannot attend to the cattle at the other ?— No ; he cannot. 10138. And if he has no family, he must hire a boy or a girl?— Yes; if the bounds are not good, it would be necessary to have a boy or girl, but not if the fields are well enclosed. 10139. , But as in Longford, the county you are speaking of, they are well enclosed, is it not usual to have a herd for 20 acres of grazing ?— Yes; it would be necessary to have a boy if the man did not attend to it himself. 10140. Mr. Lefroy.] Are you acquainted with the lands in the barony of Granard ?— Yes ; I have heard a good deal of them. 10141. You know Mr. Greville's estate ?— Yes ; I have been upon it. 101^ 42. Then you are acquainted with the lands in the barony of Granard, and Mr. Greville s estate r— Yes, I have been upon some lands in that estate. 10143. What sort of lands are those in Granard ?— Very fine land. J 0144. Pr ime land r— Indeed it is. 10145. How