/ / t / I SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 129 9509. Then of course upon any land of this kind a man who had two acres of Mr. Patrick Fkoi land would clearly have a beneficial interest of 10/. a year ?— Yes ; I allude to the barony of Granard. 15 May 1838. 9510. With respect to the land upon which you have given evidence, he would of course have a beneficial interest upon two acres rented at 35 s.; according to the calculation you have just given me as to the possible proceeds of an acre, must not a man who has two acres of such land necessarily have a beneficial interest under the circumstances which I have allowed and you have allowed, of letting by conacre ?— After taking two or three crops, perhaps he might not have 2 /. interest, after he has reduced the land by taking so many crops. 9511. You tell us with respect to this land, of which you have been speaking, if a man takes two or three crops of potatoes, it would not give him 2/. or 3/. profit ?— No; he must then return to oats. 9512. How many crops of oats would it give?— Six or seven. 9513. And then what state would it be in ?— The land must be used for clover or hay- seed; and after two or three crops of potatoes, for oats. 9514. How much does he get for oats?—£. 6. or 7/. upon an average, for four crops running. 9515. Well, then, you give him three crops of potatoes?— They seldom take three; they do sometimes. 9516. Taking the potatoes at 14/. an acre, if lie cultivate them himself; what would the crop of oats be worth to him, if he cultivated them himself, de- ducting all outgoings?— From 8/. to 9/. an acre. 9517. Then if you take two or three crops of potatoes at 14/., and four or five crops of oats at from 8/. to 9/., must not every man, according to your state- ment, who has two acres of that sort of land, of necessity have a beneficial interest of 10/. ?— He might make that every year out of it. 9518. Must he not, according to your statement of the average, have a bene- ficial interest of 10/. upon two acres?— For one year he might; for another year he might not. 9519. Do you mean to say he would or would not have a beneficial interest upon two acres ?— I say he would have a profit of 10/. and upwards. 9520. Would he, according to your notion of a beneficial interest, have a beneficial interest of 10/. upon two acres?— Yes, I say he would when the land was in that condition. 9521. Would he or not have a beneficial interest of 10/.?— Yes. 9522. Would he have a beneficial interest, such as you have been speaking of and describing to us as a beneficial interest ?— I say, if for the year he had it in crops, he would. 9523. I ask, would he or would he not have a beneficial interest ( such as you have been speaking of under the term beneficial interest heretofore) upon two acres under cultivation, of either potatoes or oats ?— I say he would under potatoes. 9524. Mr. Curry.] You have stated, in answer to a question of Mr. Lefroy, that a person cultivating his ground, planting potatoes himself upon it, would make more than setting it in conacre ?— Yes, 1 believe he w7ould. 9525. And you have estimated the value of an acre of potatoes when thus cultivated at 14/. upon an average?— Yes. 9526. Is that calculation of yours made upon the price they would produce, if sold in the market ?— Yes ; I think they would fetch something more; it is a low calculation. 9527. Supposing he kept them himself, to feed pigs or other stock upon, would they be worth more than 14/. an acre?— Certainly. 9528. Is that what you mean by saying it is more beneficial for a farmer to plant and keep his potatoes himself, than set his land in conacre ?— Yes, it is. 9529. When you spoke of the produce of one or two acres of a farm set with potatoes, and afterwards set in oats, and that a person might have a beneficial interest of 10/ a year arising from those two acres, what state is the rest of the farm in at that period ?— The rest of the farm would be out in grass, and would not pay near so much money. 9530. Taking the whole of the farm together, you are obliged to deduct from the profit produced from the potato crop and the oat crop the deteriorated value of the land, which is obliged to be let out after having had oats or potatoes planted upon it?— Certainly. 643. s 9531 • And