/ ; 7 SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 123 9364. Have you stated the case of any land let, subsequently to the year 1828, Mr. Patrick Flood. at a lower rate than it was let previous to 1828?— No, I do" not know of any land let lower; all the land has been let higher. 15 May 1838. 9365. Have you before this Committee made that statement, or have you not ?— I am not aware that I made any statement of that; I stated that land let higher since 1828 than before that period. 9366. Have you made any such statement 011 a former day ?— What I stated was, that the land let for more since 1828. 9367. Have you, or have you not stated, that certain lands which you men- tioned have been let at a lower rate since 1828 than they were before?— I know of no lands that have been let since 1828 at a lower rate" than before. 9368. And you have not made that statement?— No. 9369. That you are sure of?— I never intended to make that statement; I have let lands myself for an increased rent within the last four years. 9370. Mr. Lefroy.] You say those lands of Cahill were valued as worth 35 s. an acre?— They were, by the valuators brought in from Roscommon and Leitrim. 9371. By the same valuators who valued the lands of Reilly ?— Yes, by Bryan Clogher and Thomas Nesbitt. 9372. What were Reilly's lands valued at?— I did not call in valuators upon Reilly's lands; 1 valued them myself at 2 I. 7 s. 6 d. per acre, and I know land in that very neighbourhood let at 4 /. and 3 I. per acre. 9373. Mr. Curry.'] Now, without going through the details of other cases, have you the names of any other persons who were upon the registry of 1832, or at a subsequent period, and were struck off by the Committees of 1833 or 1837 on the ground of under value?— I have. 9374. Mention the names of any persons you have down?— Daniel Smith, Ballinacross, quite close to the barony of Granard, upon the same estate ( Mr. Greville's) ; Patrick Reilly, of Granard ; Patrick Reilly, of Aughagragh ; Bryan Curneen, of Trumroe; Lawrence Reynolds, Kil. lasuna; John Kiernan, Bally- duffy; Thomas Kiernan, Ballyduffy; Patrick Kelly, Aughagragh; Michael Beglin, Balamore; Bryan Tracey, Balamore; Cormak Dowd, Balamore; Matthew Flood, Balamore; James Reilly, Balamore; Terence Flood, Rath- bracken : that is all I took out; there are more, but their leases are dropped. 9375- Were those persons all upon the registry of the county of Longford ?— They wTere. 9376. As 10/. freeholders or leaseholders?—£. 10. freeholders; there might be some leaseholders ; I think they were principally freeholders. 9377. Were they struck off by either of the Longford Election Committees?— They were struck off in 1833 and 1837, all I have mentioned. 9378. Some in 1833 and some in 1837?— Yes. 9379. Did you view those men's farms between 1830 and 1837?— I did; I had others with me valuing them too. 9380. Can you state, from your having so viewed them, whether those persons respectively had such a beneficial interest in their farms, as a solvent tenant would give them 10 /. for, over and above the rent they paid?— They had. 9381. Had those persons respectively a beneficial interest in their farms to the extent of 15 /. or 20 /. a year each ?— There were none of them that would not be beyond 20 /. at the least, and some of them considerably more. 9382. In estimating the amount of beneficial interest by taking the land in conacre, in place of taking the value of it wdien cropped, does that diminish or add to the amount of the beneficial interest, estimating it by the conacre ?— It diminishes it. 9383. So that if you valued the beneficial interest with reference to those farms when under crop by the tenant himself, the beneficial interest would have been increased rather than diminished ?— Considerably increased. 9384. Mr. Lefroy.] In what proportion is the beneficial interest diminished by the farm being managed by letting in conacre rather than the farmer cultivating it on his own account?— If the oat crop is taken from him, the straw for manure would be gone. 9385. What proportionate difference does it make?— It might make from 11. an acre to 30 s. 9386. Then the loss you estimate at about 30s. an acre?— I think the farmer whose land is let in conacre would lose 30 s. an acre for land set with oats. 643.. 1? 2 9387- Does