V 76 M I N U T E S O F E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T HE Mr. Patrick Flood. g Were von ever present upon any occasion when acts were done by — Mr. Kift which you call persecution ?— I was by when the son came into Long- 11 May l83?- ford, and thought to get into the house to force away the freeholders. 8954. Did he tell you he would force away the freeholders ?— He told the clergyman of the parish that he would doit. 89,55. What is the clergyman's name?— The Rev. Mr. M'Gouran. 8056. A Roman- catholic clergyman ?— Yes. 89 37. He told him that he wanted to go into the house to force away the free holders?— To see the freeholders. 8958. You stated that Mr. Kift told Father M'Gouran, that he wanted to go into the house to force away the freeholders?— To see the freeholders. 89,59. To see the freeholders is one thing, and to force the freeholders away is another thing ; which was it?— That Mr. Kift went down when the freeholders were at breakfast and wanted to get in where they were. 8960. Do you mean that Mr. Kift told Father M'Gouran that he wanted to go in to force away the freeholders ?— 1 do not know whether he wanted to get in for any other purpose. 8961. Do you mean to say that Mr. Kift told Father M'Gouran that he wanted to get in to force away the freeholders?— That he wanted to get in, and he had a party with him. 8962. Mr. O'Connell] Do you mean to say that he used the word force ? — No. 8963. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Will you state what is the foundation of your evidence when you said that Mr. Kift wanted to get into the house to force away the freeholders?— I had it from the clergyman himself, he came to me and told me of it. 8964. The clergyman himself came to you and told you that Mr. Kift wanted to go into the house to force away the freeholders ?— Yes. 896,5. Did he tell you that Mr. Kift told him so ?— He did ; he came and told me that Mr. Kift and Mr. Thompson wanted to go into the place where the free- holders were and force them away. 8966. Do you mean that the clergyman told you that Mr. Kift told him that he wanted to go in for the purpose of forcing away the freeholders?— The clergyman told me that he wanted to get in where the freeholders were, to force them away, and that he had a strong party after him. 8967. Did Mr. Kift tell him that?— The clergyman could see them himself. 8968. Did he use force with any men?— He was not let in to use force. 8969. Did he in any instance use force or attempt to use force with any of the men ?— No. 8970. Then why do you take upon yourself to say that Mr. Kift wanted to get into the house to force away the freeholders?— The clergyman told me that he did want to do so. 8971. That he wanted to use force to take them away ?— That he wanted to get into the house and force away the freeholders. 8972. Did the clergyman say that he used any force ?— No. 8973. Did the clergyman give you to understand that he inferred that Mr. Kift's object in wishing to get in was to force away the people, or that Mr. Kift told him that that was his object?— I do not say that Mr. Kift would, but that the party who were with him would use force. 8974. Then the clergyman did not give you to understand that Mr. Kift himself would use force, but that the party with him would use force ?— Mr. Kift had a party with him. 8975. Then what the clergyman gave you to understand was, not that Mr. Kift wanted to use force, but that the party with him wanted to use force with the freeholders?— Mr. Kift was the leader of the party. What was it that the clergyman gave you to understand ?— That Mr. Kift went down with a party to the house where the freeholders were, to take them away against their will. 8977. Was that his conjecture, or did he tell you that Mr. Kift told him so ? — I hat was his conjecture, of course. 8978. Then he did not say that Mr. Kift had told him anything of the kind ? — He told me that Mr. Kift went down with a great party to the place where the freeholders were, to take them away. 8979. Mr. O'Connell]