V 76 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Mr. Patrick Flood. 8gi2. What quality of land is his farm?— This townland is counted to be as good a townland as there is upon Mr. Greville's estate. 11 May 1838. § 8] And his farm is land of good quality ?— Some of the best quality. 8814. Have you the particulars of what quantity of oats, potatoes, or other crop he had upon the farm at that period ?— Yes, I have taken a memorandum ; three acres and a half of oats, and an acre and a half of potatoes, half an acre of meadow, and the rest under grass; I uas present in court when he was admitted. 8815. Have you any particulars of his stock?— He had four cows and a horse when 1 was there. . 8816. In your judgment would a solvent tenant have given that man 10/. a year for his farm over and above the rent he paid?— He would. 8817. What, in your understanding, was that man's beneficial interest in that farm annually worth?— Upwards of 30/. 8818. Mr. Lefroy.] Over and above his rent and taxes, and all his outgoings? - Yes. 8819. Mr. Curry.] Were you present when he registered 111 183.5?— I was. 8820. Was any opposition made to him ?— There was. 8821. Were you examined as a witness upon the subject of the value in 1835 ?— No, I was not; there was Mr. Hinds examined, the son of the magis- trate of the county. 8822. Was he in favour of the voter, 01* against him ?— He was examined to support his vote; the farm adjoins his; lie holds land adjoining. 8823. Was any witness examined to prove that he had not the qualification ? — Not any; Mr. Thomas Lefroy cross- examined Mr. Hinds, and Mr. Hinds swore himself that he would give 3/. an acre for the land; Mr. Hinds pays upwards of 4/. himself. 8824. Mr. Lefroy.] Do you know what the date of that man's lease is?— July 1828. 8825. Was that 38s. the rent reserved by the lease ?— Yes. 8826. And he pays that rent?— He does. I got this lease myself from the agent; the agent overheld the leases ; he would not give out the leases, because he was afraid the people would go to register; he overheld them till 1832; till I went to Dublin and got a professional gentleman to apply to Mr. Kift to give them ii}). It was Major Thompson that overheld the leases; he was the former agent, and he would not give them to the tenants, and he handed them over to the agent that succeeded him, Mr. Kift. 8827. You say that it was dated in 1828?— Yes. 8828. Mr. Greville then lets his estate very low?— There were some lands out a year or two after, for which he got very fair rents; he charged three guineas for land of the same quality. 8829. Who was his agent when the leases were made in 18£ 8?— Major Thompson. 8830. Is not Major Thompson a very good judge of land?— He may be. 8831. He was the agent in 1828? — He was the agent up to 1830. 8832. Is not he a remarkably good judge of land ?— I do not know; he may be ; I never saw him judge any land. 8833. How long was he Mr. Greville's agent?— A good many years, I believe. 8834. Long conversant with the management of this land?— Yes, I believe lie was the under agent a good while ; he was under agent to Mr. Carr before he got the agency himself. 8835. Was Mr. Thompson a fair and honourable man, that would do justice to his employer?— I should suppose so; at the period he made those leases he made a great number, and they paid him very well for the leases ; they paid lnm a certain sum for every lease that he gave them. 8836. Do you mean as a bribe ?— I do not mean as a bribe ; but it is the general custom in the country for the tenant to pay five to seven guineas 1UI U1G IGclSGt 8837. For the expenses of the lease ?— The expenses would not be that. 8838. Do1 you mean to say that Mr. Thompson got for those leases a douceur I I say that he got from five to seven guineas ; the teifcmts offered to come forward and prove it. 8839. Mr. O'Connell,-] Is not that very usual ?- It is quite usual : it is as much as three times the expenses, in many cases. 8840. Mr. Lefroy.]