3 SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 25 487 Is there any record kept of them in the grand jury ?— I have the record - upon the return of those that appealed from the valuation. 488. Mr Curry -] Were those appeals before or after 1832 ?— Those appeals 7 were, 1 think, m the spring of 1833. 489. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Were those appeals from the decision of the valuators /— hrom the decision of the supplementary valuators. 490. That is, then, not with reference to the valuation of 1828, but with reference to the valuation that took place after the register in 1832 ?— Yes. 491. And you say that the number of those appeals was about 20? Yes. 492. Mr. Beamish.] Were those appeals all allowed ?— Some of them were and some not. 493. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Besides this class of persons, who were ap- pellants, who complained of that supplemental valuation, was there another class of persons who petitioned the grand jury, praying to be exempted from ratine: ? — There were a vast number of persons applied personally, without sending In a previous application. 494. They came to the grand jury room, and stated their cases orally ?— Yes. 495. About what number might they have been?— I shall be able to tell exactly from the documents. 496. Will the documents enable you to state the adjudication upon each? Yes. 497. In order to know whether any of those persons to whom you have been latterly referring were persons who had registered as 10 I. householders, would it be necessary to have the documents, Mr. Colburn's document, the clerk of the peace ?— I should think so. 498. Have you any documents which would ascertain that?— I have one of the printed lists delivered out by the clerk of the peace. 499. Have you the printed book issued by the clerk of the peace which con- tains the names of those who are registered, and the right in which they are registered ?— Yes, I have it with me in London. [ The Witness was directed to produce the same on the next day of meeting of the Committee.] 500. Cha'mnan.] Can you state to the Committee what was done in pur- suance of the Act of Parliament accurately to ascertain the value of the different houses and premises within your jurisdiction; in what way the valuators are appointed, and, being appointed, proceed to ascertain the value of the houses and premises within their jurisdiction ?— In case of the grand jury deeming a valua- tion necessary, they present that there should be a valuation take place, and they then appoint a day for nominating valuators, and several people apply to be appointed for the valuation, and there are two from each parish, 14 appointed in the city, who, after being appointed, are sworn before the recorder to do justice fairly and to make a fair valuation. 501. Is that under the Act of the 53d of Geo. 3, or under the Act of the 55th ? — It is under the Act of the 53d and 55th. 502. How are they remunerated ?— By grant from the grand jury; the grand jury determine what sum to pay to each valuator. 503. Then they are remunerated by salary, not by fees or per- centage ?— By nothing but salary. 504 When was the last valuation made?— In 1832. 505. AJ what period of 1832?— I think it was ordered by the grand jury in the summer of 1832, and decided on in the spring of 1833. ~, o6 Then the valuation was not taken till the spring of 1833 ?— No. ' r) 0- Were all those valuators you appointed fresh persons, or had they been employed before ?— I rather think some of them were members of the valuation that took place in 1828. . . , . ™ S Havino- stated the practice with regard to the seven parishes m the uty, will you state what is the practice with regard to the valuators in the parishes in the liberties without the city ?- They are appointed m the same way. Koq Were they appointed at the same time ?- No; I do not think there was even in 1828 a valuation of the liberties. I have very great doubts whether there has been anv valuation of the liberties since 1822. " ti 1 10. - fi! » 0.46. E