254 Mr. Benj. Deeble. MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE - Generally speaking- they were; hut 5567. Generally speaking were they 8 March 1838. particular parts of it were more extended. 1 rrh " ithin the line was considerably less than the half side, Silver Spring, 011 which is about two < 5568. The area comprehended w 40 000 acres which are contained within the liberties ?—\ es, considerably less; 1 believe the extreme point did not extend a mile and a the Glanmire- road, was the extreme point on " Was* that such a line as you would think a fair line to draw for the pur- pose of distinguishing between the rural and the urban population ?— In that point I think it was; but it crossed the river, and it skirted just high- water mark; it did not go up to Ballintemple; it took, 111 all the Slab, as it is Cal^ l. 0# The question is, whether, according to your judgment, that line, which was so drawn, fairly divided the rural population from the urban population ?— I do not think it did. < 5571. In what respect did it fail to dosor— There was another point that I think was circumscribed, at the north side of the city. 5572. You think there was a part excluded from the city which ought to have ought not to have been included ?— I been included ?— Yes. 5573. Was there any included which cannot say that there was. 5574. Then your idea was, that so far as regarded the included space, it was. right, but that It left out some which ought to have been included ?— I think so. 5575- Mr. Beamish. j Did you come expressly to London for the purpose of seeing this map?— That, and something else; 1 had a little business besides. 5576. Were you requested to come over to look after that mapping by any person ?— No. 5577. It was your own wish to comer— It was my own; I wished to see it particularly; I thought there was a little manoeuvring about it. 5578. And you thought that you might check it?— Yes, I thought I might help do so. I will say what I thought; I thought the distillery wras left out, which ought to have been included. 5579- Were there any other parties who could have given evidence relative to the boundary ?— I dare say there were. 5580. Did you hear of any persons being examined relative to i t ?— No, I did not. I did not give evidence upon it; I was only called upon by the engineer. 5581. Did you hear of his waiting upon any other persons to obtain evidence as to the boundaries?— I heard that he was with some other persons, but I do not know whether it was to ascertain the boundaries; but when I saw it was excluded, I thought there was something not quite right. 5582. What do you mean was excluded?— The distillery. 5383. What distillery?— Mr. Callaghan's or Mr. Hayes's distillery. That was left in a little nook. 55 84- I thought it was aouotiui; 1 tinnk that the line should be outside to make it a right line ; for the Government engineer said that his object was, as nearly as he could, to make right lines from point to point. 5585. Did you ascertain that that distillery had been left out before you arrived in London ?— No, I did not; but I suspected that it was. 5586. What led you to suspect it?— I said before, that I heard that this engineer was speaking with parties; and his not calling upon me again to show me the tracing; I do not mean to impute anything to him, but it was the impression upon my own mind. 5,587. From hearing that he had spoken with certain parties in Cork, and his not returning to you again to show you the tracing, you apprehended that he had been induced to make his line of demarcation inside this distillery ?— I thought so; it gives a great advantage to the distillery, for it excludes it from the city- rate ; and also, they can purchase corn outside, free of toll, which other distilleries have not the advantage of doing. 5588. Was not this distillery at all times outside the suburbs?— It was, but unfairly excluded, as a great many thought, in the same way . 5589- Has it ever been included ?— No ; but I believe the proprietors of the tillery at the time, pointed out the line for the map ; not the present pro- But you did not see that that was excluded till you came to London ?- t it was doubtful; I think that the line should be outside to make it dis prietors. 5590. You