226 m i n u t e s o f e v i d e n c e t a k e n b e f o r e t he Mr. D. Meagher. March 18.18. AO< 7 Mr Serjeant Jackson.] Why should not a freeman have a right to take a servant as an apprentice ?- I cannot see any other instance but that, and that was what struck^ me.^ ^ ^ reason why a freeman should be precluded from taking a servant as an apprentice ?— He should be either a tradesman or a handicrafts- m4959- Do not you know that it is frequently done?— Not a menial servant; I suppose this man is a farming servant. . 4060 How do you know that lie is a farming servant ?— Being at Upton. 4061 Do not you think that Mr. Payne has domestic servants in his house?— I suppose he has ; but I think a servant of that description would not bind himself for seven years; and that is the reason why I rather take him to be a menial. 406^ Are those the grounds upon which you attribute to the corporation the premeditation of a fraud ?— I do not speak of the premeditation of a fraud ; 1 think it is an insult to the freemen. 4063. What is the next case?— I find that I have a note about the Perriers. Here is " James Perrier to Sir Anthony Perrier, 3d of April 1834, and John Johnson Perrier to Sir Anthony Perrier, the 2d of March 1834." I allege that they were also put on by a colourable pretext; that Sir Anthony Perrier is no merchant. 4964. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.'] Is it part of your allegation regarding those two Messrs. Perrier, that they have been improperly admitted freemen?— I say, that in my opinion, they were improperly admitted. 4965. ( To Mr. Besnard.) Do you find James Perrier in your book at that date ?— It is not in the book. 4966. ( To Mr. Meagher.) You are understood now to say, that your complaint with regard to these two Messrs. Perrier, is not that they have been improperly admitted to the freedom of the city of Cork, but that their names have been improperly put down in the book of enrolment ?— One of them has been impro- perly admitted, and the other two cannot be admitted till they are out of their time. On looking through the book of enrolments of freemen, I find, " August the 9th, James Perrier, bound apprentice to Sir Anthony Perrier, of the city of Cork, merchant, for seven years from the 3d day of April 1834." 4967. ( To Mr. Besnard.) What observations have you to make upon that ?— That young man is in America. ( Mr. Meagher.) I find also " John Johnson Perrier, bound apprentice to Sir Anthony Perrier, of the city of Cork, merchant, for seven years, from the 2d of March 1834, the date of the indenture." ^ 4968. ( To Mr. Besnard.) What observations have you to make upon that ?— That young man has not served his father as an apprentice, for he is going to the bar. Everybody who pleases to take an indenture, gets it enrolled as'a matter of course. 4969. Mr. Serjeant Jackson, to Mr. Meagher.'] You are not now understood as complaining that anything has been done wrong by the corporation, as to admitting those two young men to the freedom ?— The time has not come yet. 4970. Therefore it is impossible that anything should have been done wrong, hitherto ?— Hitherto. i 4971- Do you imagine that the common council, or the corporation of Cork at large, are to be blamed because an individual " has gone into the town- clerk's office and paid a fee, and entered an indenture of apprenticeship, by way of enrolment ? — I he result of such conduct has proved most injurious, by allowing parties to ripen, and afterwards admitting them to their freedom. 4972- What instances can you state where this evil has occurred ?— I think it is exemplified in the instance in which Sir Anthony Perrier's son did enrol; did sub sequently get admission, and did, subsequently to that, vote, and that by that voting the poll* man St , nJUry t0 the Hberal int6r6St' by placi" S an vote upon 4973- Can you state any other instances where that has been done ?— No, for I d. d not go the entire length of the book ; but I would probably get many instances M'J: ^ appears from Mr. Besnard's evidence, that one be \ T" H1 enCa' aUd ther6f0re an apprenticeship to his father can To ™ Tn Ul " n r ' K3' PurPoses of trade or commerce ?-- Certainly not. 49/ 0- And the other brother is going to the bar ?— Certainly. 4976'. And