SELECT COMMITTEE 3738. Mr. 3739. Mr. went to was ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. , ^ j / J / j Beamish.-] Who is it you allude to John Sullivan. tllTousl< d° not think^ use that Mr. Young of Leary ?— It might or might not be; bad one. I have a doubt whether he ^ W^ e iwLwas^ would give him wrong information ; a shocking fellow. d ha3740. Has the man been examined as a witness in a court of justice ?- He llVo ? aS v'PerjUre, d h^^^- Deliberate perjury, to my certain knowledge. TWrii M ^ " T ' CTmit that m^ r— He was before Mr. Assistant Barrister Martley ; he gave evidence about a house of ill- fame ; he stated drat he was not an inmate, that he merely set the house to another person, and was putting it m repair. He was cross- examined, and he distinctly stated that to be the fact* and two or three days after that, being examined in court before Mr. Recorder Bennett, he swore directly the reverse, and Mr. Martley was shocked when he heard & was a Mr. D. Meagher. O • 28 February 1838. he swear upon that subsequent occasion ?-— That he was an that he slept there, and that he provided articles of furniture, it. 3743. What did inmate of the house, and that in truth he was the manager of the brothel. 3744. In what case was that ?— In the case of a prosecution against the Honour- able Member for the county of Cork, Mr. Rotch. 3745. He swore all that?— He did ; I heard him in both courts. _ 3746. Can you give the names of the causes in both courts in which those pieces of evidence were given by him?— I do not know the case ; he came up to sustain the value of a house, and his evidence was impeached as not being a man of credit, and those questions were asked him before Mr. Martley, and he stated on his oath that he was not an inmate of the house, that he was merely the person that set the house, and that he was preparing it for the party that took it of him ; and he subsequently, upon his oath, admitted that he was the inmate, that he slept there, that he was bringing articles of furniture into the brothel, and that he was, in fact, a kind of bully to the house. 3747. Would you be able to furnish the Committee with the names of the two causes in which you state he deposed to that effect ?— It was at the registration court, at the time that Mr. Rotch was tried ; and I can ascertain it by referring to the date of the trial 011 Mr. Rotch's case; Mr. Martley was sitting at the sessions at the time. I believe it was the September sessions of last year. 3748. Mr. Beamish.] Subsequently to the election?— Yes. 3749. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Did you see Sullivan accompanying Mr. Young upon his valuation ?— I did. 3750. Where did you see him?— I saw him on two or three different days, when I happened to be out; he was before going with him, and I even told an acquaintance of Mr. Young, Mr. Laffin, on my seeing him speak to Mr. Young, that it was a disgraceful thing for Mr. Young to be seen in such company. 3751. Had you known this Sullivan before 1— Yes, very well. 3752. Upon what occasion was it that he deposed before Mr. Bennett, the recorder ?— Upon the trial of the Honourable Member for the county for an assault; he was charged with an assault, and this man, Sullivan, came up to prove the assault. . 3753. When was that trial?— At the time of the registry m September last; it was tried before Mr. Recorder Bennett. _ 3754. There was also a trial took place after the last election for the city of Cork, in the court of the recorder, before the deputy recorder ?— Yes. 3755. Do you know what the name of the cause was?— Sullivan was one ot the prosecutors. , , .. t 3756. Was it the Queen against Rotch ?- It was ; there was anothe man that complained against Mr. Rotch, and he brought Sullivan up as a witness to the fact Ct 375^!' Beamish] Do you know what the issue of the trial honourable acquittal; every one of the fellows was peijured ; it watlhe vak » t con spiracy that there ever was against an honourable gentleman; ' . 3758. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.'] Have there been any proceedings to ™ £ etbis man amenable for' this alleged perjury ?- I do not know whether there II be^ 3759. Have any informations been sworn against him foi the purpose onn„ ing him to justice for this perjury?— I do not know. %~ 6o. Were not you present at it:— I was. Do