26 February 1838. j / J / j SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. , ^ 2940. You were rather considered to take the opposite course =- I was rather M n » , thought ought t< Tbe excused ^ " "" ^ ^ ^^ 2943. Does he know you ?— I think he does. . 2944.. He knows that you are a very zealous man in support of the Liberal interest in Cork ."— That is generally known in Cork. 2945. Have you any doubt that he knew what purpose you came for?— I think he knew. 2946. Then he having registered, would of course have an interest in making it appear that he had sufficient value to register as a 10 I. householder ?— When I consider that he underwent a cross- examination before the registering barrister and coupling that with my view, I think I may fairly state that it is of 10 1. value. 2947. Who gave him that cross- examination ?— The Conservative party. 2948. When did he register?— On the 30th of March 1836, before Mr. Martley ; no man was more particular than he was. 2949. Chairman.] Do you remember this individual being opposed at the registry ?— They were all opposed. 2950. Do you remember this individual being opposed at the registry ?— No, I cannot bring it to mind ; but being in 1836 before Mr. Martley," I know that he was, because there were always a host of attornies and counsel and wit- nesses, opposing at every registry that Mr. Martley presided at. 2951. Mr. Beamish.'] Where did he register; where were the sessions held ?— At Fermoy. 2952. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] You seem to think that the Liberal interest had no proper representatives at the registry ?— When I consider myself, a man in business, being the supporter of the Liberal interest, and that they had counsel and attornies upon the other side, I think I was no match for them; our ways and means did not afford us counsel. 2953. Were you the only person there to oppose persons on the other side?— We had an attorney and a counsel in some instances. 2954. Chairman.] Were there any bad Conservative voters put on ?— There were some. 2955. Why so ?— We did not oppose the extension of the franchise; we rather wished it, and we never wanted to oppose them except in a very glaring case; our object was to extend the franchise. 2956. Without reference to the intention of the Act of Parliament ?— With- out reference to the intention of the Act of Parliament. We conceived that they would not put forward any person but those that they could support; and, in fact, we thought it enough to support our own votes, and we looked much more to that than to opposing them. 2957. Your impression was, that the Conservative side did not advance claims without good cause ?— Generally, they had very good value. 2958. But although that was your impression as to the general character of the proceedings upon that side, there still were many bad votes put upon the registry upon that side ?— Yes. 2959. Mr. Beamish.] Did you mean to say that you did not refer to the intention of the Act of Parliament, when people were brought up to register J— What I meant to say was, that we did not use the power which the Act ot Par- liament gave us of opposing voters. i„ fanoa, 2960. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Do you mean to say, that the Liberal interest are so wholly unprovided with the means of carrying on a warfare of that . kmd at the registry, that they really could not have counsel and attornies - ln the registry of 1832 we were very poor; but since that we have organized, and have a fund for that. 2961. You got a subscription in Cork r— We did. 2062. Did you get aid from Dublin ?— No. 2963. Nor from any other place than Cork?- Nor from any other place than our own purse. 2964. Is Mr. Lyons the treasurer ?— He is. ^^ Thgre