ON THE LOCAL TAXATION OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN. ' C What are the medical expenses of that prison?— In 1819, 148/. 8s. 10\ d,; in 1820, 173/. 10s. 2d.; in 1821, 197/. is. Does that include medicines and salaries?— Medicine, wine, and all necessaries. How many patients were admitted in those years?— In 1819, 503 ; in 1820, 409 ; in 1821, 548; and in 1822, 529. The number, of external patients cannot be correctly ascertained, but may be fairly averaged at about 250 per day. . Can you give the Committee any information as to the medical expenses of any other, and what prisons, besides the prisons of Dublin ?— In To thill- fields pri- son, the medical expenses for the surgeon and apothecary, are 80 /. a year. Have you the average number of prisoners confined in Tothill- fields ? — The officers of the prison told me there were about 2,000 in a year ; that many of them were not committed, but were sent there by the magistrate, probably during an Mr- Isaac Stewart, ( 8 May.) investigation. Have you visited any other prisons?— I have visited Newgate in London, and Giltspur- street and the Borough compter; and I was informed by the officers at Newgate, that the surgeon had 400/. a year, and provided all medicines necessary for the three prisons just named. Have you visited any other prisons?— Not in London. Who provided you with that information?— The gaoler of Newgate and the governor of Giltspur- street; but the latter was not very sure, whether it was four or five hundred a year. I can mention a further expense for medical institutions in Dublin ; there are Jarvis- street infirmary, Mercer's hospital, and the hospital for incurables ; three institutions to which 6.50/. a year is paid by the grand jury. Is this under any particular Act of Parliament compulsory ?— I never heard of any Act of Parliament on the subject; they are paid in equal sums of 108/. 6 s. 8d. each, half- yearly. Will you give the Committee any information on that subject ?— The expense of stationery for the city of Dublin, paid to Alderman Exshaw in 1820, for the grand jury, was 310/. is. 4d.; and also 99/. 8 s. 1 d. to other individuals. I cannot distinguish the difference between what is for the term grand juries and what is for the sessions grand juries. Have you compared those with expenses of a similar nature elsewhere ?— I can- not say that I have very particularly. Will you be so good as to inform the Committee, the items which you conceive chargeable under the head of stationery for the use of the grand jury of the city of Dublin?— Pens, ink and paper, and the printing of the warrants; I think those are the principals items, I am not aware of any others. Have you ever heard that the stationer is paid for the stamps which are charged for the different presentments made by the grand jury of the city ?— I have; I per- ceive there is a charge for stamps of 28/. 3 s. 4d; I thought this very extraor- dinary, as in my experience, as an overseer of roads, in the county of Dublin, I always when making the affidavit, had to pay the cost of the stamps out of my own pocket. You having stated, that you attribute the increase of grand jury presentments, in some degree, to the increase of salaries, will you have the goodness to state what salaries you allude to ?— I allude to the increase of salary of the surgeon ; it appears by the grand jury papers to have been one hundred guineas in 1807, and it has been for many years back two hundred guineas; that of the physician has been increased from 100/. which he was paid in 1807, to 400/. the sum he at present receives; and I see in one year, not very long back, that he was paid 1001, for attending at Kilmainham gaol extra, on account of some city of Dublin prisoners being removed there. Was that in addition to his salary ?— Yes. Has he a permanent salary now of 4001, a year ?— He has. What is his name?— Dr. Harty ; in Easter term 1819, I find the following, " Paid to Dr. William Harty, for attendance upon the city prisoners in Kilmain- ham gaol, 100/." With respect to this surgeon, you state that the surgeon's salary has been in- creased?— It has from one hundred guineas, in 1807, to two hundred guineas. Are you aware of the cause of that increase ?— I am not aware of any reasonable cause. You say, that his salary in 1807, was one hundred guineas a year, and that it was increased to two hundred guineas a year in 1821?— It was increased soon after 1807. 549. Ca » J