kio' ON THE LOCAL TAXATION OF THE CITY OF DUELIN. 73 the same purpose, to the same person; look at page 103 ?— There is a presentment Mr., to Alderman John Exshaw for stationery, for the use of the several grand juries, John M'Mullen 147I. 17 s. & d. v ^ Turn to page 97; who was foreman of the city grand jury in Michaelmas term ( 30 April.) 1819 ?— Alderman John Exshaw. Is there any similar presentment in that year?— There is, to the amount of 150/. for one half year's supply. Turn to page 87, Michaelmas term 1818; who was foreman of the grand jury on that occasion?— Alderman John Exshaw. Does there appear any similar presentment for the same purpose, and to the same person, on that occasion?— There is a presentment to Alderman Exshaw, for printing work and stationery, 144/. 7 s. 6d. In page 78, Michaelmas term 1817, whose name appears the second in the presentment sheet of that year?— Alderman John Exshaw, second on the grand jury. Is there a similar presentment on that occasion ?— There is a similar presentment to him, of 1531. 19 s. 11 d Will you turn to page 69 ?— I again find the name of Alderman John Exshaw second in the list of the grand jury, and a similar presentment to him for printing and stationery, 150/. Are there other stationers of eminence in the city of Dublin, besides Alderman Exshaw ?— Many, of greater eminence I should think. Will you cast your eye generally over the returns of the names of the grand jury before you, and state whether the leading members of those grand juries are not, to a considerable extent, the same persons ?— I have given some attention to the sub- ject, and I know that such is the fact. And they are invariably leading members of the corporation of the city of Dublin ?— Invariably so. During those years to which your attention has been called, the alderman who has been named has been upon the grand juries, and has been a party to presentments made to himself?— Unquestionably ; it appeared to me, from an investigation which I had previously made on the subject, that in the 20 terms, ending Michaelmas 1820, he served upon nineteen grand juries. Can you state the names of any other members of the corporation, who have served upon a considerable number of grand juries during the same period?— Alderman Hamilton served on sixteen of those twenty grand juries; Alderman Archer upon sixteen ; Alderman Cash upon fourteen ; Alderman Darley upon four- teen ; Alderman Reed upon fourteen ; Alderman King upon thirteen; Alderman Thorp upon twelve ; Alderman Manders upon eleven ; Warner upon eleven; Ab- bott upon ten ; Bloxam upon ten ; Fleming upon ten ; M' Kenny upon ten ; Matthew West upon ten ; Jones upon nine; Nugent upon nine ; James upon eight ? Mont- gomery upon seven ; Andrews upon six, and Hone upon six; Sheriffs- peers Craven and Pasley upon thirteen; Minchen and Tudor, each upon ten; Giffard upon nine ; Blacker and Mander, each upon eight; and Semple upon seven. Have you been able to compare the number of times which those individuals have served, with the general number of individuals who might have served upon the grand jury during that period ?— The number of persons qualified to serve upon grand juries in the city of Dublin is supposed to be about 2,000. Do you mean freeholders ?— Freeholders, freemen, and householders. When you say 2,000, do you mean persons who, from their stations in society, would be considered as eligible in point of opinion, as well as in point of law?—• I do. Is there any general proposition which you would deduce from your examination of these facts ?— It is unquestionable that, out of about forty members of the corpo- ration, the majority upon each of the twenty grand juries, in the ten years specified, have been composed in constant and regular succession. Have you examined this return laid before the House, of the grand jury present- ments of the city of Dublin ?— I have. Can you state whether, in the period of ten years to which you have now directed the attention of the Committee, there appear many instances in which the individuals to whom you have alluded as members of the grand juries, . have also been persons receiving presentments from those grand juries?— In a great number of instances, it constantly occurs. Do you know whether any of those individuals are also public accountants before 549. H the