• ON THE LOCAL TAXATION OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN, 319 THEN AS FAR AS THE ATTENDANCE of THE OFFICER GOES, YOU MAY CONSIDER THOSE THREE PRISONS, AS ONE GREAT PRISON OF THE SAME EXTENT, CONTAINING THE SAME NUMBER of PRISONERS ?— YES. YOU VISIT THESE THREE PRISONS AS INSPECTOR GENERAL ?— I DO. WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE TO YOU PERFORMING YOUR DUTIES AS INSPECTOR GENERAL, IF THOSE THREE PRISONS CONSTITUTED ONE GREAT PRISON, OR IF AS AT PRESENT THEY CONSTITUTE THREE SEVERAL PRISONS ?— ONLY THE DIFFERENCE OF GOING SEPARATELY INTO EACH, AND REPEATING THE SAME INSTRUCTIONS OVER AGAIN, WHICH WERE THEY ONE PRISON I WOULD HAVE ONLY TO DO ONCE. BUT IF THEY WERE ONE PRISON, WOULD YOU NOT HAVE TO VISIT EVERY PART OF THAT ONE PRISON, TO GO INTO EVERY ROOM IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU DO IN THE THREE DISTINCT PRISONS ?— YES ; THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THE REPETITION OF THE ORDERS. ARE YOU ACQUAINTED WITH THE SMITHFIELD PENITENTIARY ?— I AM. HOW FAR IS THAT REMOVED FROM THE PRISON OF NEWGATE IN GREEN- STREET?— ABOUT HALF AN ENGLISH MILE. IS IT IN THE SAME STREET, OR DOES MORE THAN ONE STREET INTERVENE?— I THINK, KING- STREET ALONE INTERVENES; THE SHERIFF'S PRISON TURNS INTO KING- STREET; I THINK IT IS - ONE LONG STREET. DO YOU KNOW THE SITUATION OF THE FORMER BRIDEWELL IN JAMES'S- STREET?— I DO. WAS THAT MORE OR LESS REMOTE FROM THE PRISON OF NEWGATE, THAN THE SMITHFIELD PENITENTIARY IS ?— MUCH FURTHER OFF. HOW FAR DO YOU CONCEIVE THE OLD BRIDEWELL IN JAMES'S- STREET, TO BE FROM NEW- GATE ?— A MILE AT LEAST, I SHOULD THINK. HOW FAR IS THE RICHMOND PENITENTIARY FROM NEWGATE?— I THINK, A MILE AND A HALF, OR MORE; IT MAY BE TWO ENGLISH MILES. IS IT LEGAL ACCORDING TO THE GAOL ACT, THAT A PRISONER, SUPPORTED BY THE PUBLIC, RECEIVING THE GAOL ALLOWANCE, SHOULD, DURING THE TIME OF HIS SUPPORT BY THE PUBLIC, RECEIVE ANY SUPPLIES OF FOOD OR OF LIQUOR ELSEWHERE?— IT IS NOT. THAT IS DISTINCTLY CONTRARY TO LAW?— DISTINCTLY; AND WE HAVE ALWAYS DESIRED THAT ORDER TO BE ENFORCED. DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THAT ORDER IS NOW ENFORCED IN NEWGATE ?— IT IS NOT ENFORCED IN NEWGATE, BUT WE HAVE GIVEN REPEATED DIRECTIONS THAT IT SHOULD BE SO, AND WE EXPECT BY DEGREES TO BE ENABLED TO EFFECT IT; CONSIDERABLE DIFFICULTIES ARISE FROM THE CROWDED AND UNCLASSIFIED STATE OF NEWGATE. DO YOU NOT THINK THAT IF THE OFFICERS OF THE PRISON OF NEWGATE HAD A DISPOSITION TO OBEY YOUR INSTRUCTIONS, THAT THEY COULD ENFORCE THAT PROVISION OF THE LAW ?— .1 THINK THEY COULD, BUT THE BUILDING IS OF SUCH A NATURE, AND THE CROWDS SO GREAT, THAT I IMAGINE THE OFFICERS ARE WILLING TO MAKE A SACRIFICE OF THE LAW IN THAT PAR- TICULAR, FOR THE SAKE OF OBTAINING QUIETNESS AND PEACE AMONGST THE PRISONERS, Avho THEY APPREHEND MIGHT OTHERWISE REBEL, AND CAUSE GREAT CONFUSION, IF NOT DANGER. DOES THE CONDUCT OF THE OFFICERS, IN THAT PARTICULAR, MEET YOUR APPROBATION ?—• I CANNOT SAY IT DOES ENTIRELY; BUT CERTAINLY GREAT ALLOWANCES ARE TO BE MADE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES; AND CREATING PERFECT ORDER IN A GAOL, WHERE ACCOMMODATION IS . NOT GIVEN, IS IN MANY CASES IMPRACTICABLE. DID YOU DISCOVER THIS VIOLATION OF THE LAW YOURSELF, YOU AND MAJOR WOODWARD, OR WAS IT REPORTED TO YOU BY THE OFFICERS?—- WE DISCOVERED IT; WE SAW THEM FRE- QUENTLY DRINKING TEA AND EATING MEAT. DO YOU NOT CONCEIVE THAT SUCH A VIOLATION OF THE LAW IS UTTERLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE DUE DISCIPLINE OF THE PRISON ?— UTTERLY ; AT THE SAME TIME THERE IS CONSIDERABLE DIFFICULTY IN A GAOL WHERE THERE IS NO ROOM FOR CLASSIFICATION, AND CROWDED TO A DESPERATE EXTENT, IN UPHOLDING DISCIPLINE. DO YOU CONCEIVE, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE OF THE DUBLIN PRISONS, THAT THE PRISONERS COMMITTED TO NEWGATE COULD, GENERALLY SPEAKING, PROVIDE CLOTHING FOR THEMSELVES?— . LTHINK NOT. DO YOU CONCEIVE, THAT THE INTERPOSITION OF THE PUBLIC, UNDER THE GAOL ACT, TO ASSIST IN PROVIDING CLOTHING FOR PRISONERS, IS INDISPENSABLY NECESSARY ?— I DO, FROM THE GENERAL CLASS OF PRISONERS THAT I SEE CONFINED. WHO IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHAPLAIN OF NEWGATE ?— MR. MORRISSY. CAN YOU INFORM THE COMMITTEE, WHETHER HE DISCHARGES THE DUTIES WHICH THE LAW POINTS OUT TO THE CHAPLAIN OF THAT PRISON ?— I THINK HE DOES. CAN YOU INFORM THE COMMITTEE, WHETHER THE PRISONERS IN THAT GAOL ATTEND TO HIM AT CHAPEL IN THE DISCHARGE OF HIS RELIGIOUS FUNCTIONS?— NO, MANY OF THEM HAVE GREAT OBJECTIONS TO HIM. 549- Major James Palmer. ( 29 May.)