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Second Report from the Select Committee of the Local Taxation of the City of Dublin

09/07/1823

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Second Report from the Select Committee of the Local Taxation of the City of Dublin

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Mr. Samuel Wray. . J ( 14 Maj.) ON THE LOCAL TAXATION OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 129 WAS HE RECKONED A DISHONEST MAN ?— HE WAS RECKONED DISHONEST, BUT THERE HAD BEEN NOTHING TILL THAT DISCOVERY, PROVED AGAINST HIM ; HE WAS ONLY SUSPECTED. THE OBSERVATIONS YOU HAVE MADE RESPECTING THE VESTRIES, REFER TO THE VESTRIES AS AT PRESENT CONSTITUTED IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN ?— YES, PART OF THE OBSERVATIONS I HAVE MADE, REFER TO PRESENT AND PAST VESTRIES. THEN IF THE VESTRIES WERE FORMED OF MEN OF GREATER INDEPENDENCE OF CIRCUM- STANCES, IN THE HIGHER WALKS OF LIFE, TO BE SELECTED BY SOME PROPER AUTHORITY, YOUR OBSERVATIONS WOULD NOT APPLY TO SUCH VESTRIES AS THAT?— I THINK, FROM THE EXPERIENCE OF SUCH SITUATIONS, THE SITUATIONS I MEAN OF DIRECTORS OF WATCH AND MEMBERS OF COMMITTEES, WHO ARE GENERALLY IN DUBLIN MEN WHO ARE NOT IN THE HIGHER WALKS OF LIFE, THOUGH THE VESTRIES APPOINT THEM. THE QUESTION REFERRED TO THE VESTRIES THEMSELVES', IF THE VESTRIES THEMSELVES WERE APPOINTED FROM INDIVIDUALS OF A BETTER CLASS AND OF HIGHER STATION IN SOCIETY, AND MORE INDEPENDENT IN FORTUNE, THE OBJECTIONS YOU HAVE MADE TO THE PRESENT VESTRIES, WHICH ARE COMPOSED OF PERSONS OF THE LOWER DESCRIPTION, WOULD NOT APPLY?— IT IS NOT TO THE VESTRIES, BUT TO THE PERSONS APPOINTED BY VESTRIES TO MANAGE THE PUBLIC MONEY HERETOFORE, THAT I ALLUDED. DO YOU NOT CONCEIVE THAT A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF PERSONS WOULD BE APPOINTED TO MANAGE THE PUBLIC MONEY IF THE VESTRIES THEMSELVES WERE BETTER APPOINTED ?— YES. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY DEFALCATION IN THE PUBLIC MONEY IN ANY OF THE CHURCHWARDENS OF YOUR PARISH AT ANY TIME ?— I DO NOT. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANY IN ANY OF THE OTHER PARISHES ?— I HAVE. DO YOU KNOW OF IT IN ANY OTHER PARISH ?— NOT OF MY OWN KNOWLEDGE. IS THE ATTENDANCE AT THE VESTRIES OF THE PARISH OF ST. MICHAN'S GENERALLY COMPOSED OF PERSONS IN THE MORE ELEVATED SITUATIONS IN LIFE ?— THE MAJORITY OF SUCH VESTRIES, IN EVERY PARISH, MUST BE PERSONS OF A LOWER CLASS, AS THEY ARE THE MORE NUMEROUS CLASS ; THE RICHEST AND MOST RESPECTABLE CLASS SELDOM ATTEND. WAS ANY THING PROVED AGAINST MR. SMITH, IN THE COURSE OF HIS EXAMINATION, AS TO ANY MISCONDUCT, PREVIOUS TO THAT UPON WHICH HE WAS TRIED ?— THERE WAS NO CHARGE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM FOR ANY THING ELSE; WHEN I SAY THAT HE HAD NOT A GOOD CHARACTER PREVIOUS TO THAT TRIAL, I MEAN THAT THE PARISHIONERS OF HIS OWN PARISH ENTERTAINED SUSPICIONS THAT HE APPLIED MONEY, WHICH HE HAD RECEIVED FOR THE RELIEF OF THE POOR, TO HIS OWN PURPOSES. MR. SMITH, OR HIS CHARACTER, HAVE NO RELATION TO THE PRESENT PARISH DEPUTIES, OR THE PROCEEDINGS WHICH THEY HAVE TAKEN ?— I BELIEVE NOT. DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT MR. SMITH'S PROCEEDINGS BORE ALTOGETHER UPON THE QUESTION OF THE REPEAL OF THE WINDOW TAX ?— I BELIEVE THEY DID. IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY SUSPICION OF MR. SMITH BEFORE, DO YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN APPOINTED CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE OF DEPUTIES?— IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THOSE PERSONS WHO APPOINTED HIM DID NOT HEAR OF THE SUSPICION ENTERTAINED OF HIM. Mr. Molesworth Greene, CALLED IN; AND EXAMINED. WHAT SITUATION DO YOU FILL IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, UNDER WHICH YOU RCCEIVE ANY remuneration BY PRESENTMENT?— I am JOINT CLERK OF THE PEACE OF THE CITY OF MolEsWOrth Greene. DUBLIN. THAT IS THE RETURN WHICH YOU MAKE TO PARLIAMENT OF THE DUTIES AND EMOLUMENTS OF YOUR OFFICE AS CLERK OF THE PEACE, ( a document being handed to the witness.)?— HAVE THE GOODNESS TO STATE FROM THAT RETURN, WHAT THE EMOLUMENTS OF YOUR OFFICE WERE IN THE SEVERAL YEARS FROM 1815 TO 1821?— IN THE YEAR 1815, THE AMOUNT WAS 1,864/. 6s. id.-, IN THE YEAR 1816, 1,741 I- 5*- 9d-'> w the YEAR \ 8l7' 1,825/. 175. 2d.; IN 1818, 2,145^ gd.; IN 1S19, 1,855/. 5 5 « - J in 1820, 1,808/. 11 J. 6d.; AND IN 1821, 1,901/. LOS. id. t WILL YOU TURN TO THE SCHEDULE OF 1822, AND STATE THE DIFFERENT ITEMS M THAT CHARGE FOR THE YEAR 1822, AND THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS?— THE FIRST IS UNDER THE 23 AND 24 OF THE LATE KING IN LIEU OF FEES ON PERSONS TRIED AND ACQUITTED, 189/. 12 8 d. WILL YOU TURN TO THE ITEMS UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE 48 OT GEORGE THE 3D. E— IHE 48 OF GEORGE 3, IS IN LIEU OF FEES ON PRISONERS TRIED AND ACQUITTED IN ONE YEAR 200 I. WILL VOULTATE WHAT DISTINCTION THERE IS BETWEEN THOSE TWO HEADS; THEY BOTH APPEAR IN THE RETURNS TO BE THE SCLILFLG Y Y ^ JL: ! — THE 23D AND 24TH OF GEORGE THE 3D, VOLUME 12, PAGE 089, EMPOWERS THE SESSIONS 549. KK G, AND
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