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31/07/1822

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ON PETITIONS RELATING TO LIMERICK TAXATION. 73 / You state distinctly, that Mr. Owens has no profit upon any of the works carried on in the city of Limerick, by the parish of St. Michael, except his salary ?— I do not believe he has. Upon what do you ground that belief?— I ground it upon the oath he has taken, on being appointed surveyor, and of his well known character for his probity and integrity. You have no positive fact to ground your belief upon ?— Not more than that; my opinion of his character, and that of the public at large, is very good indeed. You know, of your own knowledge, that there is no part of those works for which he is contractor?— Not apart; he has no more to do with them than any body else, except to certify the accounts of the workmen. He brings you the accounts of the workmen's wages?— No ; he sends the accounts of the workmen by the workmen themselves ; he first heads the bills, then he puts down the names of the persons who work, and the number of days they work. Then the workmen come to you with that, and you pay the money to them ?— Yes. Then no money passes through his hands for the execution of the work ?— Not a shilling. The bills come direct to you certified by him?— They do; and that is the case with the watchmen, whose bills are certified by the constable of the watch, and every other person employed in the parish in that way. Does not he pass notes for different contracts for oil and things of that kind ?— The commissioners vested in me a power to buy oil and to pay the lamplighters, and to pay the other disbursements of the parish. Mr. Owens and I buy this oil; some- times he buys the oil; but when he cannot get it, I engage the oil from merchants, who import it from Liverpool and other places; it happens sometimes in those cases, that those merchants on sending the oil to us, required immediate settlements for it, not giving time for the payment of it, and that settlement was made by his passing a note, payable at three months, to the merchant for the invoice of the oil. I do not pass notes myself, but I know the transaction to be perfectly fair. It is done with your knowledge and privity, and the note corresponds with the invoice of the oil ?— It does exactly. Is that the only pecuniary transaction carried on by Mr. Owens with the com- missioners of the parish of St. Michael?— It is, except as relates to his salaries. And that is under your authority, and with your knowledge ?— It is; I do not like to pass notes myself for the payment of the money when they may fall due ; per- haps I could not conveniently pay them; he sometimes passes a note to the merchant, and the merchant has credit for it in the commissioners book for the amount of the invoice of the oil. There is a charge here, " Paid Counsellor Casey the amount of his demand for his trouble in preparing the said amendment, and for his expenses in going to London, to promote the enactment of the said amendment, 227 I. 105. ?— Yes. Was Counsellor Casey at that time agent to Lord Limerick ?— I do not know ; I cannot positively say from my own knowledge whether he was or not. Do you know that he ever was ?— I am sure he was, for I paid him rent as Lord Limerick's agent. Was he so at that time ?— I declare I do not know; I cannot positively say, whether he was or was not. Is the Committee to understand from you, that whenever they see in these ac- counts charges for repairing the sluices of the sewers, and the repair of the sewers themselves, that they are always done at the suggestion of Mr. Owens, and executed by him in the manner that you have explained in the former instance ?— When those sewers require cleaning, the inhabitants that are annoyed by the filth of the sewer make application to me or Mr. Owens respecting the state of the sewer; and that sewer is then examined, and if it is found to be the case, that it is annoying to the inhabitants in the neighbourhood of it, it is cleaned out under his superintendence, and weekly bills given in of the expenses of it to me, in the manner I have stated. You have seen the letters of complaint w hich have been addressed by the inhabi- tants to the commissioners, during the years that you have been in office ?— I have. Has there been any complaint made as to any improper interest which Mr. Owens has in any of the works which he gets executed under the authority of the commis- sioners ?— There has never been a suggestion, nor even a suspicion of the kind, to my knowledge. I think he can scarcely have any concern in it without its coming 6.17. Bb to Appendix ( A.) Mr. John Barry. ( 10 July.)
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