V 76 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE 30 March 1838. Mr. G. Gardiner. s088. That is the balance, after deducting his expenditure from the gross produce of his farm ?— Yes. . 8089. What name do you give to that 10 I. 5 s. G d. ?— I call it what he derives for the support of himself and his family. 8090. Do you call it a beneficial interest in his farm .'— It is. 8091. Mr. Lefroy.] A beneficial interest to him r— To him. 8092. But does it follow that a good and solvent tenant would give for that farm 10 I. a year over and above what Mulvey paid for it ?— No. 8003. Mr. M. J. O'Connell] Do you think that " beneficial interest" is iden- tical with what a good and solvent tenant would give ?— It is not considered the same. 8094. Do you consider it the same ?— No, I do not. 8095. Mr. Curry.] In your evidence given on the last day you allowed seven acres for feeding the two cows in summer and winter ; is not that rather an un- usual quantity of land to allow for the grazing and winter- feeding of two cows ? — It would be on good soil. 8096. You stated also that the whole produce of those two cows would only be worth 8 I. a year; is not that a very moderate amount for the produce of two cows ?— It is a fair average rate. 8097. Chairman.] This paper which has been handed in states the general produce to be 341.; is that your evidence with regard to Mulvey's farm ?— That is taking the gross of it; but in the detail I gave of it I considered that one acre of oats was little enough for his own consumption. 8098. Then you take the yearly rent at 12/., and you take the expense of labour at 61, or 71. for tillage, and the seed of the corn, and the potatoes, is that taken in ?— Yes. 8099. What do you take that to be ?—£. 7 ; I have allowed 4 I. for the seed and tillage of the corn, and 3 I. for the potatoes. 8100. Then there is the county cess, 2 I., and the tithe composition, 14 s. 6 d.; that makes 23/. 14- s. ?— Yes. 8101. Do you mean to say that a man, if he was labouring for wages, would not get above 71. a year ?— If he was labouring by the day he would get more. 8102. Is his whole time occupied in the tillage of this farm?— It is. 8103. Then if you state that the labour is only 71 a year, how do you re- concile those two statements ?— He has a good deal to do besides the tillage; he minds his stock, and in harvest he reaps his corn, and threshes it in winter. 8104. Could lie support himself and his family upon 7 a year as a labourer ? — Very badly, I think. 8105. Would he, if he were hired by another person, be content to labour for a whole twelvemonth in the various ways connected with the tillage of this farm for 7 ?— The 7 that I allow there only takes in the spring tillage. 8106. Then in point of fact the calculation as put into your hands is not a correct calculation of the expenditure ?— Of the expenditure with reference to those three acres it is. 8107. Is it with reference to the whole of the holding?— There is very little expenditure required upon the remainder of the farm. 8108. Do you mean to state that any one man can till that farm, taking care of his cattle and everything belonging to it, and do other work besides ?— It would require his attention, unless he had a family grown up that might take care of it. 8109. Supposing him to have nobody but himself, could he do any work by means of which he might increase his means of living in addition to the neces- sary care of his farm ?— He might do some work at two seasons of the year, in summer and in winter. 81 IO. How much could he earn during those two seasons of the year, in addition to the labour necessary upon his farm at those periods ?— He might earn 3/. or 41. 8121. Then you mean to state that he might earn 31. or 41, in addition to the 71, labour upon his farm ?— He might. 8112. Would that be about the general rate of wages that he would receive supposing he worked for another person all the year, in that district of country ? — If he worked for another person altogether, his wages would scarcely come up to 10/. J 8113. You mean to state, that supposing a labourer is hired by another person