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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

30/07/1838

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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

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S E L E C T C O M M I T T E E O N F I C T I T I O U S V O T E S , I R E L A N D . 61 r< 7 - I have not had any correspondence connected with them; I have been 7843. Do you believe there are any ?— a considerable time past with any person three months from home. 7844. When you were leaving home three months ago, do you believe that there wTere any Orange lodges in the county ?— I heard that on the 5th of November some bodies of men met and celebrated the anniversary as they used to do. 7845. Did you meet them on the 5th of November last?— No. 7846. Do you believe there are any Orange lodges now ?— I believe at that time there were ; I cannot at this moment say. 7847. Any near Ballymahon?— I heard that there was a meeting about that time there. 7848. A lodge ?— The present system, I understand, is, that they meet to have a dinner party there, and transact no other business than as a convivial party ; they dine together, and spend the evening. 7849. Why did not you attend the Ballymahon dinner?— I believe I was not at home at the time. 7850. Were you known to belong to an Orange lodge when you got the superintendence of a school ?— I have been superintending it 20 years. 7851. How long were you an Orangeman?— I do not know exactly in what year. 7852. Can you form no guess ?— I am sure it is 10 or 12 years. 7853. Mr. Lefroy.] Independently of those who had been rejected by former barristers from want of value, has Mr. Tighe admitted any whose title had been tried upon an appeal by a judge and jury ?— He has. 7854. What was that case?—" The 29th of March 183/, Christopher Cahill, of Aughareagh, produced a lease dated the 10th of July 1830, from Patrick Kelly, to the claimant, of 13 acres, two roods, rent 8 I. 3 s. 8 d.; said he could get 10 /. a year from a solvent tenant. Patrick Kelly was his father- in- law, and holds from Mr. Tirrell; admits he was rejected and appealed, and tried at last assizes. Thinks it is worth 30 s. per acre; says that same land, let to under tenants in the town, pays 35 s. A man of the name of Eavers admits that two or three acres of it was moor. Heard that Mr. Tirrell's land let from 25 s. to 30 s.; pays about 1 I. yearly cess. William Stephenson was produced as to value; is a farmer; holds between 30 and 40 acres; knows the lands of Aughareagh ; w ould not value them beyond 22 s. per acre; says that claimant was broke in The House of Commons, and did not build since, but thatched the house. He was cross examined by Counsellor Sausse to know, did he examine claimant's land. Witness did examine a field below claimant's house; it was in grazing; was held by Thomas Kelly; it was part of the claimant's land; was shown to be a claimant himself four years ago. Is a farmer himself, and was ejected because he did not give up his land to accommodate the land- lord. The court then again opened the case at the request of Counsellor Sausse to admit other evidence in support of the claimant, as he alleged that a witness was kept back to rebut the testimony against; court said he was satisfied as to the value— admitted." 7855. Was that same Cahill rejected by Mr. French in 1835 and 1836?— He was; and subsequently even in 183/, when he appealed. 7856. And upon the appeal the jury found that he was not qualified ?— They did. 7857. Did those facts appear before Mr. Tighe ?— Those facts appeared from his own admission that he wras rejected, and appealed, and his appeal tried at the last assizes. 7858. And Mr. Tighe admitted him ?— Fie did. 7859. His name, with all the others that were so admitted by Mr. Tighe, are still on the register ?— They are. 7860. And must remain upon the register if there be no opportunity of reviewing them before The Flouse of Commons ?— Certainly. 7861. What is the total number of persons admitted by Mr. Tighe who had been rejected by his predecessors ?— About 30. 7862. Does that include those who have been struck off the register under an order of The House of Commons ?— It does not include the two certificates that he renewed. 643. 1 3 7803. But Mr. G. Gardiner. 28 March 1838.
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