353 M I N U T E S OF E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T I IE Mercurii, 11° die Julii, 1838. MEMBERS PRESENT. Mr. Hogg. Mr. Lefroy. Mr. Litton. Mr. Serjeant Jackson. Mr. O'Connell. Lord Granville Somerset. LORD GRANVILLE SOMERSET, IN THE CHAIR. John Julian, Esq., called in ; and Examined. T , , ^ 14603. Mr. Litton. 1 YOU are agent, and have been for some years, to the John Julian, Esq. K^ gounty Conservative Registration Society ?- Yes. u July 1808 14694. Have you been so since the Reform Bill?— Not since the Reform Bill. 14695. Since what year?— I was not practising as an attorney at that time. 14696. Mr. O'Connell.'] State the date?— Since the middle of 1835. 14697. Mr. Litton.] Have you attended the registrations since that time in the King's County ?— I have attended all the registry courts in the county with the exception of some two or three at the remote end, where the number was so small it was not deemed necessary for me to go. 14698. Have you been agent to the Conservative Society since the appoint- ment of Mr. Gibson to be the revising barrister ?— Yes, I have. 14699. Has it been part of your duty to ascertain the principles which Mr. Gibson has brought into his adjudications in the rejection or admission of voters ?— I conceived it the principal part of my duty, in order that I might be able effectually to oppose or support applicants for admission, to ascertain what views Mr. Gibson took of those sections of the Reform Act on which there were different opinions held. 14700. Are you enabled, from your observation, your recollection, and your notes of the principles which Mr. Gibson acted upon, to state them to us, as I shall ask you upon some of those points ?— I can. 14701. Would you tell us the principle which Mr. Gibson universally adopted with respect to registration in point of value ?— The principle which Mr. Gibson adopted with respect to registration in point of value, where the qualification consisted of land, was to ascertain the value from the value of the produce of the applicant's farm, what the clear yearly value was. 14702. What do you mean by the clear yearly value ?— It may not be the clear yearly value properly speaking, for Mr. Gibson refused to deduct the value of the applicant's labour expended by himself upon his holding. 14703. Did he refuse to deduct that of his family?— Yes. 14704. I am right in saying that his universal principle was, if the applicant had sworn he could make 10/. a year from the produce of the farm by the expenditure of his labour and that of his family, he was entitled to register ?— Yes, if he swore it was worth that to him. 14705. That if it was of that value to him, not deducting anything for his own labour and that of his family, he was entitled to register ?— He considered such a person entitled to registration. 14706. Mr. Hogg.] By produce of the farm, do you mean gross produce without any deduction ?— No, not without any deduction. 14707. What deduction do you include?— Rent. 14708. Mr. Litton. If he had hired men, was a deduction made on that account ?— I do not recollect meeting a case in which the applicant admitted he had hired men to labour. 14709. Mr. Hogg. Do you remember any case in which there was any deduction from the gross produce, excepting for the rent ?— I do not. 14710. Mr.