6. Battersby, Esq. S E L E C T C O M M I T T E E ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. ; 537C 14186. But whether 120 or 160, they were all tried Yes 14187 What was the result of all these appeals ?— There was only one man registered, who was, I think, the last or the last but one. 2e June 1838 14188. Then the jury found against the claims?— Yes, with that one exception. 14189. Mr. O'Connell Who was the judge ?— The Chief Justice of the Common Fleas. 14190. Chief Justice Doherty?— Yes. 14191. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Did the verdicts meet with his approbation 1 — Yes; I recollect his pressing an argument, which was used by an honourable and learned gentleman, a member of the Irish bar, in his evidence before a Committee of the House of Lords; and it was this, that it was doing in- justice to the poor class of tenants in Ireland to register persons who had not a real bond fide interest to the amount of 10 I, because, he said, that by holding them strictly to the value, the landlords would be forced to do what they were unwilling to do, that was, to give the tenant a real bond fide interest; and he told the jury, he thought it unjust to the tenants themselves, for that reason, to admit persons without having a real interest; and he also said, it was an injustice to the persons registered if it did admit to the franchise those who were not entitled to it. I think these were almost the only arguments he urged with the jury in his charge one way or the other. 14192. Were there any other appeals brought forward at the assizes except those on the question of value ?— It is very possible there were, because at every assizes there we have appeals upon almost every point, but that one ground of appeal made an impression on me on account of the number, and the others I do not not recollect; but that there were others I am certain, because we had appeals at every assizes in that county. 14193. Have you attended the registry sessions in Westmeath?— Yes, regularly. 14194. At this registry session in the Kings County, did any of the Roman- catholic clergy attend the registry ?— No, not to my knowledge ; I do not recol- to have seen any of them there. 14195. It was not the practice for them in that county, then, to attend the registry, as appears to have been the case in other counties ?— I know nothing of the registry in the King's County, except upon the two occasions I was there; what may have happened at other times is wholly unknown to me. 14196. Mr. O'Connell.] Mr. Schoales is the registering barrister in that county ?— He is. 14197. Is he a very strong politician?— He is said to be an Apprentice Boy of Derry, and they are said to entertain strong opinions on one side of the questions which agitate Ireland. 14198. Not only Conservative, but of the Orange class?— I could not take upon myself to say which were Conservative or which Orange, or what was the proper definition of either. 14199. Are not Mr. Schoales's opinions considered to be of the Orange class, whatever the definition may be ?—' That I cannot answer ; one class of persons consider everybody to be Orange who is not overtly and actively Liberal; others consider no man an Orangeman unless he belongs to a particular club or lodge; under which class Mr. Schoales would come, I do not know. 14200. He would come under one or the other?— He is certainly a Pro- testant, and goes to church. 14201. You are a Protestant, and go to Church ?— Yes; and some people would tell you that I am an Orangeman, and I am sure I am not. 14202. You do not belong to the ' Prentice Boys of Derry ?— I do not. 14203. And do not belong to an Orange lodge ?— I do not; but notwithstand ing that many people would say I am an Orangeman; indeed they took the trouble of classing me among them at one time. 14204. Your very respectable family entertain opinions probably stronger than yours ?— Some of my family entertain opinions stronger than mine. 14205. But Mr. Schoales is a gentleman reputed to have very strong opinions that way?— I might do him injustice if I said so; I have heard he was a ' Prentice Boy of Derry, and I believe he is; but what his opinions are I cannot say, nor what they are reputed to be. 643. 3 Y Y 14206. What