V 320 M I N U T E S OF E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T HE Mr. G. Battersby. include the grass land upon his farm ?— I cannot say; at that time I have no - doubt there was a distinct understanding about it, but now I cannot say. 19 June 1838. 13801. Mr. French.] If the grazing of the four collops was upon good land would it be worth 12 guineas a year ?•— More. 13802. Then it being worth so little as 6 I. may be owing to its being upon a common ?— It must have been upon something very bad. 1380 3. It must have been very bad grazing for four cows that was only worth 6/.?— Very bad. 13804. Then, in all probability, apparently, the grazing of the four cows, without the grazing of the 10 acres, was worth the 61. ?— I should say I could not easily come to that conclusion, because I have seen upon appeals in the same county civil bill actions for the grazing of cows, in which they only sued for 11, per cow for the grazing, when they were sent off from the owners' farms to another, which is the most highly charged for. I have known them to sue for 11, for the grazing for six months. 13805. Mr. Curry.] Is that for a full- grown cow ?— Yes. 13806. Chairman.] Would that be a similar case to a collop ?— A collop would, in all probability, if upon a common, as this was, be worse, because where there are commons they are without stint; every body, in fact, goes upon them. 13807. Mr. Curry.] Did it appear in the course of this man's examination what number of cattle he had, or what stock he had upon the farm ?— He said, in the year of which I speak, he had two cows, a horse, and a heifer. 13808. All supported upon this farm, and upon this grazing upon the com- mon ?— That he did not say, to my recollection ; he said he had them. 13809. Did it appear he had any other means of grazing them, or feeding them, except from the produce of his farm, and the grazing of the common ?— In that case it did not appear; but during the registration it did appear that all the tenants in that neighbourhood took what they call a conacre meadow along the Shannon, in the summer, from which they get hay, and which they carry to their farms for the support of their cattle during the winter. 13810. Mr . French.] But you cannot say whether this applies to this par- ticular farm or not ?— No. 13811. You are aware the general answer you gave as to small farmers being in the habit of drawing their subsistence from other means than the land itself does not apply to those persons about whom you are giving evidence ?— Whether it applies to those persons or not I cannot say; but the evidence was, that the practice was such in that neighbourhood. Whether it was so or not I cannot say. 13812. You stated a number of persons were in the habit of earning their subsistence by acting as carriers; now you have stated that the people here are not in the habit of keeping horses ?— When I spoke of persons being carriers, I spoke of persons in the neighbourhood with which I am best acquainted, and that was not this neighbourhood ; when I spoke of persons not keeping horses, I spoke of this neighbourhood, and I believe they do not generally keep horses. 13813. Mr. Curry.] Were the farmers in that neighbourhood in the habit of making butter for sale ?— I believe very little. 13814. Then are we to understand that the produce of those two cows, milch cows I suppose they were, was all consumed by the family ?— There was 110 evidence upon that subject. 13815. If a horse and three head of horned cattle were grazed upon the farm, even in the summer months, do you not think 61. a very moderate sum to put down as the produce of the land in grazing and the collops ?—' That depends upon the quality of the land; if the land be good, it would be too little; there are many places in the King's County where it would be rather too much. 13816. Do you mean to say a horse, and two cows, and a heifer, could be fed upon any part of the King's County upon land producing grass which was only worth 6 I. ?— I think they might upon land in the King's County producing some grass ; and I believe there are cattle often fed upon land where the feeding is not worth more than that. 13817- Do they die of starvation ?— Very frequently. We heard from a witness at the last assizes that a great number died; and I have happened to be eoncernd in cases in which the persons who had the grazing of them in the