S E L E C T C O M M I T T E E O N F I C T I T I O U S V O T E S , I R E L A N D . c '/ J 3 0 9L ? / was a man of remarkably good character, and very well connected; Lord Lorton anxiety to get him was partly on that account; he came from the county of Down • he understood the management and growth of flax, and was a very good farmer', and Lord Lorton thought he would he of very great use to the people about there,' and he gave him a large farm at a very cheap rate ; but he was not long there before lie was murdered ; he was murdered on the evening of the 24th of June. 13507. The chief object in bringing that man there was to instruct the people as to the management of their farms and the cultivation of flax, and to promote their improvement?— Yes, that he should be of use to the people; that was our great object in selecting a man of that sort. 13508. Besides being acquainted with those various matters that had a tendency to improve the people, he was a man of very good character ?— A man of excellent character. 13509. Did you ever hear, respecting any of those tenants of Lord Lorton's who have been the objects of those murderous attacks, anything to the prejudice of their character or conduct?— I did not. 13510. Can you call to mind any other descriptions of outrage that have been perpetrated in the county latterly ?— Yes; there was a man of the name of Cole upon that estate beaten in a most cruel manner, and he was in the infirmary at Longford as well. 13511. Was his life in jeopardy in consequence of that maltreatment?— It was. 13512. Can you state any instances in which the perpetrators of those atrocities have been brought to justice ?— With the exception of the men who were tried for beating Dymond the first time, I do not know of any. 13513. Was there a conviction in that case?— There was. 13514. Did the parties undergo the sentence?— They were transported for seven years. 13515. Mr. O'Connell.] Was Dymond murdered?— No; he was all but mur- dered. 13516. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Was he shot or beaten?— Beaten, and stabbed, and all but murdered; it was a marvellous thing his ever recovering. He suc- ceeded Brock in the farm. 13517. How long after the tragedy in Brock's case was the attack upon him?— I think in the summer of 1836 and the winter of 1836 were about the times that he was beaten and stabbed. When he recovered from one, he was not very long at home before they attacked him again, near his own house. 13518. Do you think that life is really safe in that county at present?— I do not think it is. 13519. Mr. O'Connell.] There was a man shot in Longford during, the election of 1836 ?— I heard there was. 13520. There was a man tried for the murder?— Yes, a man of the name of Gainty; he was acquitted, and the woman upon whose evidence he was tried was afterward tried for perjury and convicted. 13521. Nobody has been brought to justice for the shooting of that man?— Not that I heard of. jj Vnhor 13522. Was there not another man killed shortly before in Longford?— I am not aware of any instance of that sort. 13523. You have been the Munster circuit as registrar?— I have. 13524. You are aware that in that country they murder people who come into farms ?— I have heard of such things. 13525. You saw several trials arising out of such events?— I did. 13526. You are aware that they murdered them, though they were Roman- catholics ?— Yes. 13527. And Roman- catholics of very good character?— Yes. 13528. Do you remember, in the county of Clare, very near relations of Dr. O'Shaughnessy, the bishop, being murdered ?— I was not there at the time, but I heard of it. inof woH. , RQ£ f 1 * 13529. So that when they are dispossessed of land, however rightfully, they revenge themselves upon the incoming tenants, without any respect for their popery or their piety ?— It is too much the case in Ireland. 13530. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] And the people being disposed to violate the law in that way, and to take the law into their own hands, do not you think that that makes it the less excusable in those who are the spiritual instructors of those 643. R R 3 Pe° Ple S T. Courtenay, E? q. 12 June 1838. ij If