V 312 M I N U T E S O F E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T H E Courtenay, Esq. Justice. Dogherty sat together; the counsel on both sides arguea the question arising upon the words " beneficial interest;" and the judges having delivered •> June 1838. their " opinion that the proper view of it was according to the 10th Geo. 4, the other cases were not proceeded with. 13375. They were given up?— They were literally given up; in fact, it was to arrive at the opinion of the two judges upon that question that those appeals were entered ; it was avowedly for that purpose that they were entered. 13 ) 74- In answer to question 11840, it is stated that a person of the name of John Sodan, junior, voted upon his father's certificate; have you any recollection of that I. do not think that can be. 13375. Have you any recollection of that transaction ?— I have a note of the registry. ] 3376. What appears from your note of the registry ?— The affividavit of John Sodan was called for. 13377- Was it a registry upon a former affidavit?— It was ; and I rather think there was an objection made at the time, but I find upon the note that there was a person of the name of Archibald Gerard examined, to prove the identity of this man, and upon his evidence the certificate was taken out. 13378. Then an objection was taken at the registry, and a witness was examined ? — A witness was examined upon the identity of John Sodan, who was styled John Sodan, junior; and a witness examined, and the certificate granted upon his testimony. 13379. So that the person who did vote as John Sodan was the person who was really registered ?— He was. 13380. The evidence that Mr. M'Gaver gives upon that subject appears, from his answer to question 11842, not to have been from his own knowledge, but from the statement of another person ; do you conceive that he must have been misin formed?— I think he must have been mistaken about it. 13381. So that that was not a case of personation, as it is there represented; John Sodan, junior, did not personate another, but he had really the right in which he voted?— He had. 13382. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Do you know that man?— I know John Sodan, of Edgeworth's Town. 13383. Mr. O'Connell.] The question applies to the man that voted ?— I know them both ; I recollect investigating it. 13384. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] l) o you know two persons of the name of John Sodan ?— I do. ! 3j85. What are their names ?— John Sodan, of Edgeworth's Town, and John Sodan, of Ballinahinch. 13386. Is either of them called senior?— The Edgeworth's Town man used to be called senior, but I do not know him by that distinction now. 13387. Mr. O'Connell.] Is his son dead?— I do not think he has any son. 13388. To be called senior, must not he have a son of the same name?— I believe they lived in the same town, but since they have gone to live in separate places, the distinction of senior and junior I think has ceased. 13389. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Were they relations?— I think they were, but not in the relation of father and son. 13390. Was this distinction of senior and junior used for the purpose of distin- guishing the one from the other, when they resided in the same place ?— When they resided in the same place. 13391. Was the one older than the other in point of years ?— Yes ; but I do not think that there are two Johns upon the register. 13392. Do you know any third person of that name ?— I do not know any third person of that name. 13393- O'Connell.] Did you know r— Nor did I; they are a very respect- able family, and I do not think anything would induce them to come forward in a case of personation. 13394- Mr. Lefroy.] Are you acquainted with the lands of Lisnana, in the county of Longford?— I have been agent to Lord Lorton for six years and up- wards for that estate. 1339/)- Have you had those lands in charge ?— Yes. .13396. The Committee have been told that some years ago those lands were laid waste, and all the Roman- catholics turned off?— I do not know how that could be, for I find a great many Roman- catholics upon it to this day. 13397. Are