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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

30/07/1838

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Third Report from the Select Committee on Fictitious Votes, Ireland

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188 MlNXJTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Mr. E. Roovei/. 11261. Did you find in the list a person of the name of Daniel Cunningham? *— — Yes. 25 May 1838. 11262. Was he struck off in 1837 ?— He was. 11263. For want of qualification ?— Yes. 11264. You valued his farm in February 1837 ?— I did. 11265. How many acres of land had he ?— 21 acres, 2 roods, 35 perches. 11 266. What rent did he pay ?—£. 12. 8 s. 7 d. 11267. What average value by the acre did you estimate his farm as worth ?— I valued it over 30 s. an acre ; the note I took was, that he had an unquestionable freehold worth over 30 s. an acre. 11268. At 305. an acre, what would be the rent of his farm, supposing it in round numbers 21 acres?— About 32/. 11269. Is it 31 /. 10 5. ?— Yes for 21 acres, but he had nearly 22 acres. 11270. Could a solvent tenant have given him for his interest in that farm 10 1. over and above the rent he paid ?— Certainly. 11271. Chairman.] Were you with Mr. Clogher when you took this valuation? — No, it was previous to Mr. Clogher being there. 11272. What did you value the farm at ?— Over 305. an acre I valued it at. 11273. For 21 acres?— Yes, in this book [ The Evidence before the Longford Election Committee] he is stated by Mr. Arthur Griffith as having but 15 acres at 15 /. a year. 11271*. He was rejected then?— Yes, it was upon that evidence he was rejected. 11272*. Was he ever rejected before that; before he was rejected upon that evidence ?— No ; I am almost certain he was not. 11273*. He was not rejected by the registering barrister?— No, not to my knowledge. 11274. You have perused that evidence accurately, have you?— No, I have not, except Mr. Arthur Griffith's evidence, and the evidence of Mr. Bracken on our side, showing he had nearly 22 acres, at 12 /. 85. 7 d. rent. 11275. What rent did he pay ?— 12 /. 8 s. 7 d. 11276. Was that what he swore he paid at the registry?— Yes. 11277. Did he not swear he paid 15 a year rent ?— I do not know ; I was not present at his registry. 11278. Did it not appear in the evidence before the Longford Election Com- mittee?— It appears here that Mr. Griffith swore he did, but I was upon his land, and saw his lease, and saw the rent reserved ; and I saw the rent reserved was 1 2 I. 8 s. 7 d., and that the land was 21 acres, 2 roods, 35 perches. 11279. he not> first place, swear that his rent was 15 /. a year?— I am pretty sure he did not, although I was not present. 11280. Why are you pretty sure he did not, if you were not present ?— Because of the man having his lease, and having possession of his land, and stating to me he was always in possession; and when I mentioned the fact, since, of the evi- dence given by Mr. Griffith, he said Mr. Griffith, or somebody else, must have made a mistake about the rent and the quantity of the land. 11281. Did he not swear that he paid 15/. a year rent?— According to Mr. Griffith's statement he did, but I believe myself that he did not. 11282. Then you, not being present, think it right to put your belief against Mr. Griffith's evidence ?— I put my belief against it, because I was upon his land and saw his lease; and his land has been mapped since, and found to contain 21 acres; and I know he was in possession of 21 acres. 11283. I want t0 know whether you put your belief, not having been present, against the solemn oath of a witness who swore that Cunningham stated before the registering barrister that he paid 15/. a year?— Yes, my belief, assisted by those facts. 11284. Mr. French.'] Your belief is founded upon the circumstance of the rent being 12/. 8s. yd. in his lease?— Yes. 11285. And you do not think it possible that a man whose rent in his lease was 12/. 8 7d. would swear he paid 15/.?— I believe he would not. 11286. Chairman.] Your belief is, that a man who came up to be registered would not swear what is not correct?— I believe that man would not swear he paid 15/. a year, when the rent in his lease was 12/. Ss. 7d. and that he had only 15 acres when he had 21 acres. 11287. Will you state what description of lease this was?— He was a tenant of Mr. White. 11288. What
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