188 M l N X J T E S O F E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T HE Mr. James Ternan. 10979. He had six months to redeem ?— His immediate landlord had, and so had he. 2- 2 May 1838. 10980. If his landlord redeemed, or if he redeemed, as he had a right to do for his landlord, within six months, his title was just as good as ever ?— Yes. 10981. It was in June or July that you took possession, and it was m August that he voted ?— Yes. . 10982. Then the time for redeeming would not have expired till December or January ?— I believe not. ^ 10983. Was anything more than a formal possession taken ?— Nothing more ; the possession of the land and house was taken, and the house he was left in afterwards. 10084. Since that has not he continued in possession ?— I am aware that he has continued in possession since. 10985. Mr. 0' Connell.] Then the lands must have been redeemed?— No, they were not, I think. 10986. Mr. Lefroy.] What reason have you for saying that they were not redeemed ?— I heard from M'Laughlin himself that they were not. 10987. When did you hear that?— Since the election; a short time after the election. 10988. The election was in August?— Yes. 10989. You say " shortly after " that. How long after the election was it ? — I was in Drumleish, in that neighbourhood, about a week or a fortnight after, and I met M'Laughlin and stopped to speak to him; and the reason why I recollect his case so well is this : we had a good deal of trouble in taking pos- session from him. I went there and took possession of the holdings of the other tenants, but M'Laughlin resisted and would not give up the possession quietly; and I was aware that there was an understanding between Mr. Courtney, the law- agent, who acted for Lord Lorton. When the ejectments were brought, there was a defence made by the sub- tenants who had paid their rent to their landlord, Hamilton, and there was some informality in the proceedings, and Mr. Courtney and he entered into an agreement with the agent on the opposite side, that if he allowed the proceedings to go on, that when they de- stroyed the interest of Hamilton or Greer, they would allow M'Laughlin to go in upon, the same terms ; but M'Laughlin would not hear of this; he would not believe either Mr. Kenny or me that such an understanding had taken place, and he would not give us possession quietly, and Mr. Kenny was satisfied with possession of the land upon that day. We had to go a second time, and then he had the house barricaded, and we had to force the door in ; we had a party of police, but he kept us all at bay a good while with a pitchfork, and I had to batter in the door with stones, and smash it in. 10990. For what purpose have you stated that long story?— To prove why I recollected the case of M'Laughlin so well. 10991. What makes you recollect that M'Laughlin's land is not redeemed ? — Because it was so unusual to give such opposition to the sheriff as he gave, and I mention that as a reason why I recollect M'Laughlin's case. 10992. Is that the reason why you know that he did not redeem his land ?— That is the reason, because I have inquired since. 10993. Have you any other reason for knowing that he has not redeemed?— The gentleman employed for him was Mr. Reynolds, who was my returning officer. Mr. Reynolds was his law- agent. 10994. WThen did you hear from Mr. Reynolds?— A couple of months since. I heard it from M'Laughlin himself within about a fortnight after the election. ,0995- That the lands were not redeemed ?— That the lands were not re- deemed, but that he had remained in possession of his farm as tenant to Lord Lorton. 10996. And you infer from that that the lands were not redeemed ?— At the time; I cannot say since. 10997. You say that you heard about a fortnight after the election that they were not redeemed ; had not he till December or January to redeem them ?— He had. 10998. Then why do you infer, because he told you in August that they were not redeemed, that they were not redeemed before December or January ?— There were a great many tenants upon the lands that were put out, and their houses thrown down, and they have not got possession since. 10999. The