SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 159 / / /? Mr. Bryan Clogher. 10322. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] And do you think that is a sound calculation ?- Yes ; I do. 10323. Why?— I put it down very low ; I valued, in one instance, 15 barrels 18 May 1838. to an acre, which I consider a very low average. 10324. Mr. Lefroy.] Flow much do you allow to the other?— I allow the same. 10325. Then you allow the same average for an acre valued at 11. 65., that you allow for an acre valued at 2 Z. 8 s. ?— I consider for that part which is in tillage, it makes very little difference in the crop. 10326. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] You think there is very little difference in the crop produced by land of prime quality, and by land of inferior quality ?— There will be a difference of course. 10327. Then if there be a difference, why do you make them the same?— I am under the value, I am sure. 10328. Mr. Lefroy.] Have you made any difference in the meadow, or grass, or pasture, in the allowance you make ?— I do not know that I have. 10329. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] What is the advantage then to a man to obtain good land, and pay a high price for it, over a man who obtains bad land and pays a low price ?— There will be an advantage to the man who has the good land, of course. 10330. How can it be an advantage, if the other man has the same produce ?— There is not much difference perhaps in the tillage land in both; for where there is a high crop of manure, it is very little difference it makes in the oats; I find poor land will produce two barrels of oats, and very good land will produce very- little more. 10331. Chairman.] Then why is not the landlord of the bad land to have as much rent as the landlord of the good land ?— It is owing to the cultivation. 10332. Then you mean to say the cultivation of the bad land is more expensive than the good land?— Yes. 10333. Then supposing the expense of cultivation is according to your evidence, you must add the difference between 1 I. 6 s. an acre and 2 I. 8 s. to that culti- vation ?— Yes ; and there may be more of one kind bad than of others ; the tillage part might not be so bad. 10334. Then in all your calculations as to the value of the land, you do not consider the probable produce, but you consider the probable expense of cultiva- tion ?— I do. 10335. And you take the produce as the same, and you adjust the rent by the difference of cultivation in the one case and the others?— No, I do not take them at the same in general. 10336. But in these two instances you have taken them as the same ?— Yes. 10337. Mr- Serjeant Jackson.] Why do you differ these cases from all other cases ?— I just put down upon Roarke's farm the produce I thought it would yield, and just in the hurry I was in here, I took the same average for the upland of Brady's farm, which I did of Roarke's. 10338. That was by reason of sthe hurry you were in, was it?— I did not think at that moment there would be much difference in the produce of the crops. 10339. What do you mean by saying, in the hurry you were in, you so put them down?— I just took them so. 10340. Did any one hurry you?— No. 10341. Had you not plenty of time to make your calculations ?— Yes. 10342. Had you not the whole of yesterday to yourself?— I did not go over them yesterday. 10343. Mr. Lefroy.] Would you like to make a fourth calculation?— No; lam content with the calculation I have made. 10344. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] You abide by the calculation you have made ?— Yes. 10345. Now will you tell me why you made the calculations in these two cases upon a different principle from what you would make the calculations in other cases?— I have not made them different; I might in some cases take more or less as the produce of the land. 10346. Chairman.] Then perhaps you have understated Brady's produce?— I do not think I have overrated it. 10347. Do you think you have underrated it ?— I think if I am not under, I am not over. 10348. Do you think you have understated it?— I think it is a fair valuation. x 4 10349. And t