V SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 145 him 50/.; how do you make that calculation?— By the appearance of the houses; Mr. Bryan Clogher by looking at the houses. I generally measured the houses, but I do not see that - that is here. l6 May 1838. 9929. Supposing the materials to have been worth 20/., he must have expended labour to the amount of 30/. upon it, according to your statement?— The masonry is not included in that; the mason's work would come pretty near that. 9930. You began by stating this house was worth 50/.; vour attention was then called to the statement of the man, that he himself said it only cost him 201.; vou attempted to reconcile the difference between your estimate and his, by saying that he must have left out his own labour. Now, under those circumstances,° what amount do you estimate his labour at, in point of value?— I think it could not be less than 20/. 9931. Still you give 20/. materials, and 20 I. labour; that, according to your showing, is 10/. less than the first value you put upon the house ?— There is the mason's wages. 9932. Do not you take into account, when you state the value of his labour at 20 the mason's labour as well as other labour?— No. 9933. What do you reckon the mason's labour worth ?— There is a very fine office in it; three offices under one roof. 9934. What do you estimate the mason's labour to be worth ?— I estimate the mason's labour about 2 s. a perch. 9935. How many perches do you reckon that there are in this house?— In the house and offices there could not be less than 100 perches. 9936. Then you estimate the mason's labour at 20 ?— If there are 200 perches in both houses, it could not be less; that is, in the offices and the house. 9937. Do you suppose that he himself was the mason, with regard to the building of the house ?— No, I do not. 9938. Then supposing your estimate of the value of the mason's labour be 2 s. a perch for 200 perches, it would cost him for the mason's labour 20 I. ? — Yes. 9939. Then according to his statement, that it cost him 20 I. in the whole, you would allow him nothing at all for the value of any other labour, nor for the value of any materials ?— Yes, I would. 9940. His statement is, that the house cost him 20 /., and you say that there is 20 /. of mason's labour in the house ; of course, he is perfectly aware of what his materials cost him, as well as you ; therefore how do you reconcile his state- ment of the positive fact with your estimate?— I would say that if the houses con- tained 200 perches, as I am pretty sure that they do, the mason's work would not be less than 20 I. 9941. Besides the mason's work, what other work was there that might have been done by himself?— There was no work to be done by himself, but procuring the materials, and drawing them, and attending the mason. 9942. What do you value that at?— I suppose that would be about 20 L more. 9943. How long do you conceive him to be employed in building this, when you rate his labour at 20 1. more?— He should be 200 days, a man to attend the mason 200 perches, at a perch per day. 9944. You say that for 200 days that would give 201, as his allowance ?—• The trouble, materials, and procuring the lime, and procuring the sand. 9945. For those 200 days, how much do you allow for the man's own labour ? — One shilling a day, if he was to pay. 9946. That would be 10 /. for his own labour?— Yes. 9947. Then, notwithstanding the statement which it appears he made, according to the evidence given before the Election Committee of 1837, in which he said that his house cost him 20/., do you still adhere to your belief that the house cost him 50 I. ?— I consider that it could not be built for less than about 50/. 9948. Then you put your opinion against bis swearing at the registry ?— That is my judgment of it. 0949. Mr. Curry.~\ In the value of his own labour, you include, of course, the expense of his horses for drawing the materials ?—• Yes. 9950. Chairman.] Were you ever present at the registry of anybody ?— I have been present at Roscommon, and once in Longford. 643. u 9951- Are