SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 149l? / potatoes, I leave two acres for his own consumption; and where there are six Mr. Bryan Clogher. cows producing milk, I leave two of them for the use of himself and his family; then, where there were two horses, I considered they would be able to do all the May 1838. work, and the man to attend; and then what I considered would be the price in the market of what remained after that, I considered it to be the beneficial value. 9852. You are understood to say that you set apart a certain proportion of his stock, and a certain proportion of his potatoes, to support his family ; do you mean by that, that you set apart the amount in money which his labour would produce, or that you only set apart the milk and potatoes that he and his family would require to eat?— Yes; that he and his family would require. 9853. Do you allow anything for his clothing or other articles?— He has that to take out of his beneficial interest. 9854. Have you allowed for that?— No. 9855. Then when you state that so and so is the amount of his beneficial interest, you do not exclude from your consideration what he must necessarily expend upon himself and his family ?— No. 9856. All that is included in your beneficial interest?— His entire support; that is, what he requires for his family and himself is to be taken out of his beneficial interest. 9857. His board and so forth is to be taken out of the beneficial interest?— No; I set aside as much as would do for that. 9858. Who repairs these farm buildings ; has he any expense in that way?— Yes. 9859. Flave you taken that into account in your estimate of beneficial interest? — Yes; of course, all must be taken out of the beneficial interest. 9860. What do you allow as the deduction from the beneficial interest on that account ?— The sort of houses that they are in that country will require to be thatched every six or seven years. 9861. What amount do you deduct from his beneficial interest on that account? — That is for the repair of his houses ? 9862. Yes.— Very little in the year, because they will not require thatching more than every fifth or sixth year. 9863. Mark Roarke's farm is 22 acres and two roods, is it not?— Yes. 9864. Taking that farm, what sum of money could the tenant lay by in a year out of the profits of it, beyond the sum necessary for the support of himself and an average family?— I could not say what sum he would lay by. 9865. Supposing he was a careful man, living as moderately as a person in that situation could possibly do, simply supporting himself and his family, and giving them the ordinary necessaries of life, working hard and not drinking, what sum do you think he could lay by ?— If it appeared to me as it did, that he was a person of that description, I should think he could lay by 40/. a year. 9866. On a rent of 29 /. odd?— On a rent of 14/. 9867. But supposing the land were now to be let, 29/. odd is what you would tell the landlord he might ask a tenant to give ?— I think that, between landlord and tenant, that would be rather high. 9868. Is not 29/. 5s. the sum you would tell a landlord he might fairly demand of a tenant, supposing the farm to be perfectly free to be let in its present condition ?— Yes, the tenant could pay that. 9869. That therefore is a fair rent between landlord and tenant?— It would be rather high between the landlord and tenant; however, the tenant could pay it. 9870. Now supposing the tenant to pay 29/. 5s. a year for that farmland supposing him to be a hardworking industrious man, with a common sized famity, and to support that family properly, what sum of money could he lay by beyond that 29/. ?— I consider that he could lay by 40/. for the clothing and maintenance of himself and his family; for buying stock and setting out his family and purchasing other little holdings for them, as they generally do in that country. 9871. Then is the Committee to understand that a tenant in that country can make a profit of 40/. a year on a holding of under 30/., lie supporting his ifamily ?— Yes, according to their industry. 643. r 3 9872. Mr.