V 76 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Mr. Bryan Clogher. 9830. What I want to know is, in what way you proceed to value a farm — when the landlord wishes to have your opinion of its value lor the purpose of 15 May 1838. letting it ?— According to the locality and situation of the country. 08 31. The Committee wish to know in what way you put down your items; you state first of all the produce of the farm ?— That is not the way in which I would state it if I were valuing between landlord and tenant. 9832. How would you state it then ?— I would say it was worth 30s., 40s., or 50 s., according to the value. 9833. How would you arrive at that conclusion ?— By considering the quality of the land. 9834. But how do you get the different items?— By taking the several quali- ties of the land ; if there were more than one or two classes of quality, I should say one would be worth 30s., another 40s., and another 50s., and so 011, and then I should add them together, and so find the average. 9835. By what steps do you arrive at the conclusion that such a quality of land is worth so much as between landlord and tenant ?— By viewing the farm ; I see what sort of grazing land it is, and whether it will rear two or three or four sheep, or one or two cows to the acre; then I see how much is in tillage, and what sort of land it is; and it is by that means I ascertain what, in my judgment, it would be worth to the tenant. 983b. You make no deductions, do you, when you arrive at that conclusion ? — Yes, I make deductions of course. 9837. What deductions ?— The labour that would be required for it by the acre or by the day. 9838. Do you make any allowance for capital ?— A man will hardly ever take a farm who has not as much as will stock it; he has a capital before he takes it; at least, as much as is adequate. 9839. Then if he has the stock beforehand you do not make any deduction for the value of that stock when it comes upon the farm ?— No; I do not under- stand that. 9840. Do you make any deduction in the value of the land for the stock which must be necessary to produce good farming upon it ?— That is, if he has 50/. or GO/, worth of stock ? 9841. Yes; what interest do you allow him upon that capital?— I do not take that into account. 9842. You never take that into account in valuing, do you ?— No. 9843. It is not your custom to take that into account at all ?— No ; I always consider that the tenant has a capital, and that he does not claim any interest for the capital he holds. 9844. Do you allow him anything for his labour?— Yes. 9845. Take the case of a good workman or labouring man, what sum do you put his labour down at for a year?— That is, if he was to be hired by another? 9846. Yes; at what sum would you put down his labour on these farms, which you have alluded to, in the county of Longford ?— A man gets from 6d. to 8 d. and \ 0d. a day. 9847. You of course, in your calculations, have taken these things into account, and you are asked what sum you would put down for his labour ? — The way I take that into calculation is, I calculate, the labour that would be necessary for an acre, either of potatoes or oats, and I deduct that from the profit of an acre. 9848. Is it the habit of the persons holding the farms that you are come to speak about, to labour themselves ?— Yes, it is. 9849. Is it their habit, in addition to that, to hire labourers ?— Very seldom, where a man has a family. 9850. Do you consider the beneficial interest which these parties have when they labour themselves, to include or to exclude their subsistence ?— I consider the beneficial interest to be what the farm is able to produce, and then to deduct from it the expense of the labour bestowed upon it, and the price of the seed, and so on. 9851. In stating the beneficial interest, do you take into your consideration the expense that the party must necessarily be put to in subsisting himself, and an average family?— Yes; in my calculation I set aside as much as I considered would support the man and his family; for instance, where there are three acres of potatoes,