SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 111 c 9804. And you put down the value to each portion ?— Yes, what I consider Mr Bryan Clogher the value. s * ' 9805. According to your judgment r— Yes. ,5 May 1838. 9806. You value the house and offices with the land about it, six acres, at 1/. 10s. an acre?— Yes. 9807. Ten acres of tillage and pasture you value at 1 /. ?— Yes. 9808. Two acres two roods of good meadow you value at 3 /. ?— Yes. 9809. Three acres of pasture you value at 15 s. an acre?— Yes. 9810. And one acre of ditto you value at 10 s. ?— Yes. 9811. Making a sum total of 22 A. 2R. plantation measure, which you value at 29/. 5 s. ?— Yes. 9812. Then you deduct from that the head rent, which is 14/. 13s. lo</., and you give a balance of 14/. 115. 2 d. in favour of the tenant?— Yes. 9813. And I perceive you put down the average value of the farm, one acre with another, at 1/. 6s. an acre?— Yes. 9814. Now this is the moderate and fair value of this farm, according to your judgment ?— I consider so. 9815. And it is fairly worth what you have stated it here ?— I think it is. 9816. The land in that part of the country, is it generally good or bad land? •— It is not very good land. 9817. Now, I perceive in another part, annexed to this map, you give a cal- culation of the beneficial interest; is that also your calculation?— It is my calculation. 9818. From your judgment of the way in which the beneficial interest should be calculated ?— I took it in that view. 9819. Is this your own view, or is it the suggestion of any other person ?— Certainly not. 9820. And it is made in reference to these farms, or to farms of a like quality?— I took the beneficial interest in that view in this very farm. 9821. This is a calculation of the beneficial interest you deem Roarke to have in this farm ?— Yes. 9822. And you make out his beneficial interest to amount here to 86/. a year? — I believe the rent is not deducted from that. 9823. Then how much would you say should be deducted from that to make the beneficial interest according to what you think the rent is there, and what you estimate the tithe at?— I would deduct from that 86 /., 14 /. 13 s. 10 d., for rent together with the tithe; and I consider the county cess also ought to be deducted from the beneficial interest. 9824. The way in which you make out the gross sum of 86 /., constituting the beneficial interest as entered upon this map, is thus:— Five acres of oats, of which the voter can sell the produce of four acres, say 60 barrels, at 10 s. per, 30 /.; three acres of potatoes, of which the voter can sell the produce of one, say 32 barrels, at 10 s. per, 16/.; 12 acres pasture will graze each summer, say two horses and six milch cows; four of the said cows' produce can be sold, say for butter and calves, say 7 /• per, 28 /.; from the spare milk and potatoes the voter can fatten four pigs, and sell three, at 4 /. per, 12 /.— 86 /.;" this is your esti- mate of the gross produce of such a farm as Roarke's?— Yes. 9825. And that is a fair and moderate estimate?— I think so. 9826. Chairman.] If you were valuing between landlord and tenant, is that the way you would make your estimate ?— No. 9827. Now, let us understand how you would do it if you were valuing between landlord and tenant?— It is mentioned in this map how I would value it between landlord and tenant; that is the beneficial interest. 9828. Suppose the landlord came to you and desired you to value the farm for him to be let, would you estimate the value in the same manner in which you have done it in this map ?— No. 9829. What is the difference you would make?— I would make a very great difference, for 1 am only bringing the beneficial interest of his labour out there. A speculating man certainly would see what beneficial interest the farm could produce, and it would enable him to say he would give such a yearly rent for it. He could draw from the beneficial interest an idea of what rent he would be able to give a year, as between landlord and tenant, without any labour, if a man lias 40 I. or 50/. beneficial interest. 64'}. T 2 9830- What