SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. 111 c 9741. Is it as good land as the land near Granard ?— No ; but I could get 50s. an acre for land which is let for 30 s. 9742. Mr. O'Connell.'] So the five acres you spoke of are merely five acres you hold where you reside ?— Yes, I am only a yearly tenant; I pay so much for the house, and I pay so much for the five acres as an accommodation : I do not intend to remain. 9743. And there is one life against you in the residue of the property ?— There are eight townlands; and two townlands will fall in, I expect, in the course of the year. 9744. Is there any perpetuity against you ?— No, there is only one lease for 40 years, which I expect will drop in. Mr. Bryan Clogher, called in ; and Examined, 9745. Chairman.] WHAT are you?— A land surveyor and farmer. 9746. Where do you reside?— In the county of Roscommon. 9747. At what place ?— Between Athlege and Roscommon. 9748. Mr. O'Connell.] What is the name of the townland you live upon?— Corrann. 9749. Mr. Curry.] Have you been long practising the business of a surveyor? — About 25 years. 9750. WTere you employed to survey and value any lands in the county of Longford ?— Yes. 9751. By whom were you employed ?— It was a Mr. Walsh of Drumsna. 9752. He is agent to one of the Mr. Whites, I believe.— I believe so. 9753- Which of the Mr. Whites ?— The member for Leitrim, I understand ; Mr. Samuel White. 9754. In what year did you survey and value those lands?— In 1837. 9755- What month ?— From October to Christmas 1837, and up to February 1838. 9756. Have you the maps you made of the farms that you surveyed on that occasion ?— A good may of them. 9757. Will you produce them?—[ The Witness produced the same.] 9758. Just state the names of the persons whose farms you surveyed, of which those are the maps ?— They were not accurate surveys altogether; they were only estimated valuations. 9759. Did you measure the farms?— No, not all. 9760. You did not measure all of them?— No. 9761. Did you measure any of them?— Yes, very few; where it was consi- dered that there had been an increase of land over what the tenant paid rent for. 9762. As to those you did not survey, from whom did you get information as to the contents of the farms; the number of acres each farm had ?— From the occupier. 9763. Have you made maps of many of the buildings?— A good many of them. 9764. Will you state the names of the persons of whose farms you made maps ?— The first is Mark Roarke, Cornokelly barony, county of Longford. [ The Witness delivered in the same.] 9765. Mr. O'Connell.] Those maps you have produced, is there any one of them for which you yourself made the actual survey ?— No, I do not think there is ; I estimated the value. 9766. What do you call an estimate of the value ?— As I went along 1 ascer- tained the quantity, by estimation, of every field to put a value upon it. 9767. This is a map of Mark Roarke's holding; did you inspect that farm yourself?— Yes. 9768. You have given upon this map the various qualities of the land ?—\ es. 9769. Did you take that from inspection ?— Yes. 9770. You have put the quantity, the acreage, at foot, as to the different qualities of the land ?— Yes. 9771. You did not ascertain that acreage by actual survey ?-— No. 9772. But by estimation ?— Yes. T 9773-