V 76 MINUTES O F E V I D E N C E T A K E N B E F O R E T HE Mr. Patrick Flood. 9158; ^ that held under Mr. Greville also r— It is, and close to the market town of Granard. _ . . , T ,, n May 1838. 0150. Mr. Lefroy.] Do you really know any farmer in that county who would " willingly undertake that farm, paying a rent of 401. 10 s. a year for it r- Yes, certainly ; the farm would not be an hour in the market without ormging a line and that rent. This man had built very excellent houses on that land; the surveyor who is here measured them. 0160. Mr. O'Connell.] How long have those houses been built ?— Ihey are not very lon « - built; one of them is not long since a new house. I could not say which of the Reillys it is; all those three brothers are in the same division. 9161. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.'] This is in the barony of Granard ?— Yes. 9162. Is the whole barony so productive as you have described these farms t0 be ?— All in this neighbourhood, but the lower part of the barony is not anything like so good as this. 9163. What may be the extent of the barony that is so productive?— It is a verv large barony ; there are 8,000 acres in this parish alone. 9164. Is the whole of that parish of this quality ?— Not the whole of this quality. 9165. Mr. O'Connell.] Who is the rector ?— Mr. Robertson was the rector, but he died lately. He used to get 12 s. an acre before the composition, and that shows the quality of the land, for in other parts of the county it is only 6 s.; there is no better land in the county. 9166. Do you mean to say that the rector got 12s. for each acre?— No; for oats. 9167. How much is the composition?—£. 990. 9168. Mr. Lefroy.] You estimate this land as worth double the rent that any other in the county is worth upon the average ?— No; I know lands of Mr. Chapman, set by middlemen at 31. an acre, not so good as this. 9169. Do you know Jacob Wiggins?— I do. 9170. Jacob Wiggins is a very respectable man ?— He is. 9171. Though you differ from him in politics, you will not refuse to do justice to his character?— I differ from him as to the value of land ; as to his politics, I know nothing about them. 9172. He is an experienced farmer?— He ought to be so; but it is very lately that he came to have any great experience in the value of land. 9173. Mr. O'Connell.] What is he ?— He is agent to Mr. Blackball. 9174. Mr. Lefroy.] Does not he hold a considerable tract of land ?— I under- stand not. 9175. Would you believe him upon his oath if he swore that he did?— If he swore, as he did to Sheridan's farms, I would not believe him upon his oath. 9176. If he swore to a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion, would voa believe him ?— A matter of fact would be a different thing. 9177. Is he the sort of man that would wilfully perjure himself?— No ; but I say that when I read his testimony here I asked the agent, a magistrate of the county, and the agent told me that he would not believe his testimony. 9178. Mr. O'Connell.] Who is the agent?— Mr. Reilly, a magistrate. 9179. Mr. Lefroy.] Is he a man that would wilfully perjure himself as to a matter of fact?— 1 do not say that he would wilfully perjure himself, but perhaps he was shown the wrong farm. Mr. Brock swore that there are no houses upon a farm where I know there are houses surveyed and measured, and I say I would not believe him in such a case as that. 9180. Mr. O'Connell.] This valuation was made for the last Committee? It was. 9181. Of what use would it have been if they had been a Tory Committee ? — According to what took place in 1833, very little; we might as well have staid at home, in my own opinion. 9182. Mr. Lefroy.] Which of you were disbelieved by the former Com- mittee ? I believe every one that was examined was disbelieved. 9183. Do you mean that every voter that was objected to was struck off?— 1 believe that there were very few that gave evidence, that the votes were not struck off that they came to support. 9184 How many witnesses were produced in support of the voters?— I believe five or six. • 9/!? 5,, 0f the witnesses that were produced were not some of them so con- victed of giving false evidence that the Committee desired that they should not